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What are you rolling your eyes for? It's true. Do you think they had a chance at competing with core 2, i-x series? They never had a chance and they still fail at doing so. What they do is price it at a portion so it attracts people at a performance per dollar ratio.

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doh.gif Why is this in the news? and the rumor section?

My 2006 PowerBook G4 has a Radeon Mobility 9600. While I know it isn't a CPU it is still made my AMD. Therefore AMD is part of Apples supply chain.

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Cause the article is clearly talking about CPUs. The current MBP uses and AMD GPU as well.
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This is a tough one for me because on one hand I want AMD to thrive, but on the other I want Apple to go down in bitter flames.
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They can do whatever any laptop can do since the dawn of a laptop.  But whatever... lmao

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Personally, I would not buy a Macbook with an AMD. In my head, when you pay a premium price for an apple product, you do not look at value for money aspect at all.

Not to flame you or anything, but have you purchased many apple products? Apple products are all about presentation and ease of use, they have never ever been about performance.

All macbooks have tepid hardware specs. They're not high end by any means.


 

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So many incorrect statements posted... Intel works just fine with 2400Mhz RAM, AMD's "Lightning" Bolt is not compatible with Intel's Thunderbolt. They are two different products. AMD's "Lightning" Bolt will allow you to run USB 3.0, provide power and Display Port over the same cable. It won't allow you to daisy chain and the USB 3.0 will run at lower speeds than stand-alone USB3.0 adapters do. It won't be out till Dec/next year.
Honestly, they need to either work with Thunderbolt or come out with a new standard because USB 3.0 is horribly inefficient with its bandwidth and has a high latency. FireWire 6.4gb/s would be preferred.
Also, they don't need to use Trinity in their Ultrabooks because Ivy-Bridge's improved iGPU provides enough graphics performance. Having to resort to a slower performing CPU in their newer models would be devastating. With Ivy, they get improvements in both areas.
Unibody MBPs do not overheat or discolor.
Trinity is coming out late in the summer. Ivy-Bridge is out in a couple months.
You simply don't understand what the typical Mac user is like. Your ignorance is astounding. The typical Mac user is a professional scientist, engineer, programmer, student, recording engineer, film editor and the like working at a tech startup or Silicon Valley company. They know far more about computers than your average "PC" user. In part, because the PC userbase is so huge of course. You're trying to associate the average teenage kid with what the average Mac user is and the two are very different. Visiting Facebook and Twitter is what the majority of teenage PC users do as well. It's not related to what OS they're using.
Not only is it not even close in performance, it consumes more than twice the power. The movie and music industry is not going to be using BD en mass any time soon. Tahiti, on the other hand though, could actually be replacing Nvidia in the foreseeable future.

It makes no sense to compare desktop cpus with mobile apus. They are completely different and if you havent been paying attention AMD has been doing very well in he APU mobile department. Their trinity is 17watts just like Intels IB is 17watts in the ultra book platform. And with AMD fusion technology of app acceleration, AMD apu's power is not far behind Intels. The gpu on AMD apu blows HD3000 or HD4000 grahpics away.

Apple has already been looking at AMD products. Not saying that they are going to use them or that they should use them but for the APU chip, AMD is doing very well and their graphics are dramatically more better. We are talking about mobile chips not desktop chips. offtopic.gif
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They mask poor design with aluminium for strength, IBM and Samsung (at least) can make a laptop as strong as a Macbook using plain old plastic. And it won't overheat and discolour.
Unibody MBPs do not overheat or discolor.

No, they don't. (Oh wait!)

More proof.
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  • the average Macbook owner wouldn't notice the difference between a CULV Atom and a 5Ghz IB-e.
  • Nearly anyone who's going to buy a Macbook doesn't know what AMD are, nor Intel.
  • even a Pentium D feels fast to them, let alone a Athlon II or even Core i3 2100.
  • You're thinking of PC enthusiasts, not Mac users. The latter would be fine with a Pentium III in their Mac as long as it "just worked" and ran Twitter and Flickr.
  • B]Most[/B] Mac users use Safari/Chrome/Firefox and go on tumblr and Facebook.
  • Which seems to be your entire argument: "I do this, therefore EVERYONE needs my level of performance!"

You simply don't understand what the typical Mac user is like. Your ignorance is astounding. The typical Mac user is a professional scientist, engineer, programmer, student, recording engineer, film editor and the like working at a tech startup or Silicon Valley company. They know far more about computers than your average "PC" user. In part, because the PC userbase is so huge of course. You're trying to associate the average teenage kid with what the average Mac user is and the two are very different. Visiting Facebook and Twitter is what the majority of teenage PC users do as well. It's not related to what OS they're using.

...Really? I mean, really? The only OS that can claim the majority of its users are computer savvy are Linux, BSD and a few niche OS'
While you might know a lot of Mac users who are scientists, engineers, programmers, etc (I know a lot of programmers on Linux, does that mean all of Linux is programmers?) the majority would still easily be your average student who doesn't know much about PCs.

Case in point, person I know who has a Macbook couldn't get bootcamp working so she could play Skyrim. You over-estimate the savvyness of the average Mac user by quite a bit just because the ones near you use Macs for more than facebook, twitter and youtube.
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A 4.8Ghz is within pissing distance of a 2600k at 5Ghz in video transcoding alone.
Not only is it not even close in performance, it consumes more than twice the power. The movie and music industry is not going to be using BD en mass any time soon. Tahiti, on the other hand though, could actually be replacing Nvidia in the foreseeable future.
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Was I claiming they will? I don't recall it.

I find reviews from people who aren't likely to be, err, swayed by money to be more reliable. (See Pass 2, pass 1 is very short usually)
And we're obviously meaning a very different kind of video transcoding.
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So many incorrect statements posted... Intel works just fine with 2400Mhz RAM, AMD's "Lightning" Bolt is not compatible with Intel's Thunderbolt. They are two different products. AMD's "Lightning" Bolt will allow you to run USB 3.0, provide power and Display Port over the same cable. It won't allow you to daisy chain and the USB 3.0 will run at lower speeds than stand-alone USB3.0 adapters do. It won't be out till Dec/next year.
Honestly, they need to either work with Thunderbolt or come out with a new standard because USB 3.0 is horribly inefficient with its bandwidth and has a high latency. FireWire 6.4gb/s would be preferred.
Also, they don't need to use Trinity in their Ultrabooks because Ivy-Bridge's improved iGPU provides enough graphics performance. Having to resort to a slower performing CPU in their newer models would be devastating. With Ivy, they get improvements in both areas.
Unibody MBPs do not overheat or discolor.
Trinity is coming out late in the summer. Ivy-Bridge is out in a couple months.
You simply don't understand what the typical Mac user is like. Your ignorance is astounding. The typical Mac user is a professional scientist, engineer, programmer, student, recording engineer, film editor and the like working at a tech startup or Silicon Valley company. They know far more about computers than your average "PC" user. In part, because the PC userbase is so huge of course. You're trying to associate the average teenage kid with what the average Mac user is and the two are very different. Visiting Facebook and Twitter is what the majority of teenage PC users do as well. It's not related to what OS they're using.
Not only is it not even close in performance, it consumes more than twice the power. The movie and music industry is not going to be using BD en mass any time soon. Tahiti, on the other hand though, could actually be replacing Nvidia in the foreseeable future.

He's talking about Pixar testing cloud based rendering with Windows Azure platform. Before they moved to Linux clusters, they were using Xserve machines.
After reading many of your statements, I can't tell if you're just a troll or just extremely ignorant. In either case though, there's really no point in responding as it won't accomplish anything. I need to stop responding to these type of posts.


Finally, someone that isn't an obsessive apple hater. Though the average mac user works in silicon valley thing is a bit of a stretch, I know what you mean.

So many people are saying that Macs are not about performance, even though they have some of the highest performing cpu's on the market.
Apple will not be going AMD soon because AMD just can't keep up. I know many people that use their MBP for video/music production and plenty of coding as well. AMD stuff just isn't efficient enough compared to intel to be competitive at this time. That isn't to say that Apple will always be Intel, but Apple builds some very sleek machines, and with more efficient components, a sleeker design is possible

And why would a Trinity based APU be too slow for the average Macbook Air, Mac Mini or iMac owner?
    
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It makes no sense to compare desktop cpus with mobile apus. They are completely different and if you havent been paying attention AMD has been doing very well in he APU mobile department. Their trinity is 17watts just like Intels IB is 17watts in the ultra book platform. And with AMD fusion technology of app acceleration, AMD apu's power is not far behind Intels. The gpu on AMD apu blows HD3000 or HD4000 grahpics away.
Apple has already been looking at AMD products. Not saying that they are going to use them or that they should use them but for the APU chip, AMD is doing very well and their graphics are dramatically more better. We are talking about mobile chips not desktop chips. offtopic.gif

We already went over the numbers, you should either stop lying or at least try to get your facts straight. At best 17W Trinity will match a current laptop Llano, let's assume an A8-3500M. Intel's HD 3000 is about 40-50% behind 6620G, I've seen your blatant lies and citing desktop benches, please don't respond with that nonsense again. And I've already shown that HD 4000 is about 50% faster than HD 3000. It's a known fact that HD 4000 is the same on all laptop Ivy Bridge CPUs, except possibly clockspeed by ~10%. So, HD 4000 on 17W Ivy Bridge will be within 10% of 17W Trinity, worst-case. Also consider that 17W IB i5 will have turbo clocks up to 2.6ghz on dual-cores, plus a slight IPC increase and the CPU will be a lot faster than Trinity quad in multi-threaded.
 
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Most people who buy mac book or laptops are looking just to play games or videos and browse the internet. Not do high performance computing and heavy cpu load applications. Thats why AMD's APU's would probably be a better choice. They are half the price and perform much better in gaming. And you can basically make any laptop fast with an SSD which is what apple puts in their mobile units anyway.

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The llano power consumption is good and the gaming performance is great. There is no reason why apple souldnt have both options in their products. And the main reason is its cheaper. Now that trinity is coming out soon wich offers 25% better cpu performance and 50% better graphics performance I would be surprised if apple wasnt really considering putting AMD apus in their products too.

IB graphics is supposed to be 50% better at least and so is trinity grapics. Trinity is to have 25% icrease in performance over llano cpu power and IB is less 15% i think. Hopefully the two mobile chips from intel and amd are really close in competition. IB isnt supposed to have much performance gain over SB but well see with the smaller die size and less power consumption.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5411/amds-trinity-apu-at-ces-shipping-in-mid2012

Trinity supports:
  • Eyefinity up to 6 monitors
  • 2133Mhz Ram speeds.
  • HD 7000 series mobile graphics GCN
  • 17Watt TDP
  • Piledriver cores.

I think AMD and Intels competition is going to be great this year. Im hoping Piledriver cpu will be very good that way we can get some great technology advancement out of the two companies. The more they are neck and neck the more we benefit with better technology. Im hoping AMD can get on par with Intel and give them a run for their money. Lets go Intel!!! Lets go AMD!!!. The more amd is equal to intel = more competition = better technology = better products = more for us for less.
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Most people who buy mac book or laptops are looking just to play games or videos and browse the internet. Not do high performance computing and heavy cpu load applications. Thats why AMD's APU's would probably be a better choice. They are half the price and perform much better in gaming. And you can basically make any laptop fast with an SSD which is what apple puts in their mobile units anyway.

I stopped reading here. Strong unawareness of how many people buy Macbooks to run CPU-intensive applications like Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. And lol @ thinking gaming is the most important priority for people who are in the market for a Macbook.

An AMD Macbook air or Macbook Pro? You mean, trade in half the CPU performance for a negligible gain in GPU performance compared to the HD4000 on Ivy Bridge?

No thanks.
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I stopped reading here. Strong unawareness of how many people buy Macbooks to run CPU-intensive applications like Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. And lol @ thinking gaming is the most important priority for people who are in the market for a Macbook.
An AMD Macbook air or Macbook Pro? You mean, trade in half the CPU performance for a negligible gain in GPU performance compared to the HD4000 on Ivy Bridge?
No thanks.

Oh you again. No most people who buy macs are people who have a lot of money that want something that looks stylish and that can do what they need it for. Have you ever been in a mac store and see what kind of people there are shopping around? Probably not because you will find that most of them are people who have no idea what the different components are in them and dont care. They jsut want something that can check their email and browse the internet and can do basic office applications and play their little games every once in a while. If you think that most people who by macs are their to do heavy computing then you are wrong. The people who do heavy computing dont buy macs most of the time, if they know whats good for them. Most of them kind of people either build their own system or they get a system that has been prebuillt for their needs.

Most people who buy macs are wealthy people who just want it to impress their friends or whatever. If anyone is serious about their computer needs then they do not go to apple. Go to an apple store and tell me what you see. Mostly spoiled kids or adults that just want something they can spend a lot of money on. If you think otherwise then you are simply not capable of undertanding ignorance and just fall into the same category as them.

Anyone who is serious about their computer wants or needs gets their own custom computer either built by themselves or built with the components they want.
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