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I wasn't sure whether to put this question here or on the motherboard forums, so I'll give it a shot here.

So I have my system in what I believe is a stable overclock. It passed an hour of prime, about 10 runs of linx, and plays my games and runs pretty much normal. Never tested the ram except for the blend test in prime.

My problem is the USB ports, and more specifically the USB Wireless N receiver. Whenever I hook up an external hard drive to another usb port, the USB receiver will either reset or just shut off.

Looking at the even viewer I found the following errors:

A fatal hardware error has occurred.

Reported by component: Processor Core
Error Source: Machine Check Exception
Error Type: Internal Timer Error
Processor ID: 0

And then the same errors but with different processor Id's:
Processor ID: 2
Processor ID: 4
Processor ID: 6

One of the times I think I caught something happening the cpu usage on all four cores was pretty high, maybe reaching 100 percent on some instances.


I also have this warning:


Name resolution for the name dns.msftncsi.com timed out after none of the configured DNS servers responded.


And this error:


WLAN Extensibility Module has failed to start.

Module Path: C:\Windows\system32\athExt.dll
Error Code: 126

I've also caught a blue screen ending in 00x7e, which I've searched for and suggested some of the findings (file system scan and check disk scan) only to not alleviate the problem.


All of this only happens when I use another usb device.


My overclock settings roughly are :

Speed: 4.186 Ghz
Vcore: 1.40
VTT: 1.35
IOH and ICH: 1.2
PLL: 1.8
EIC and Halt State Enabled, Speedstep enabled

I've tried a few things like re-installing the drivers and oven took the hole system apart and redid the wiring just to make sure it's not a grounding problem. I've also uninstalled all the usb root hubs and let windows re-install them again.

I'm thinking it may be an unstable overclock but what I don't understand why it passes the stress tests and also with much more demanding tasks like gaming and running handbrake I have no problems. It's only with the USB. Any help from this great community would be greatly apreciated.
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I had a few issues with the usb ports, and my x58 classified. i had to increase the ich core v's past 1.275. other than that i would turn the ce1 and speed step off, also turn any other voltage adlusting features off with an oc like that.

As for the high CPU usage, i would go through task manager and find the proccesses using those cycles. I also think a sweep of the system with Ccleaner, and driver sweeper would help
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I had a few issues with the usb ports, and my x58 classified. i had to increase the ich core v's past 1.275. other than that i would turn the ce1 and speed step off, also turn any other voltage adlusting features off with an oc like that.
As for the high CPU usage, i would go through task manager and find the proccesses using those cycles. I also think a sweep of the system with Ccleaner, and driver sweeper would help

Ok what would other voltage adjusting features be? I hear you on the turning off ce1 and speedstep, but what would that do to the total wattage consumption? I'll try increasing the ich voltage to 1.3 or so and see if that helps.

edit: i guess i forgot to ask , are my other settings in-line to what they should be for this overclock? Do you think i should tone it down to 4.0 ghz or maybe up my voltages?
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i would for sure bring it back to what ever the last stable clock you had with out this issue. I would then change a single setting at a time, untill you receive the problem again. It will then give the answer "what the heck is causing this issue?"

If the P6T has utility for overclocking and voltages, I would try to use it while in windows. Drop Your clock to say 3.8, then test for stability, and plug in the Ext. USB HD. See if you get the issue again.
If you don't, lower one voltage at a time and see if you can recreate the problem. When the problem shows it's ugly face. You'll know what voltage it is.

Remember, when you start dropping voltages, if it does not cause the problem, RETURN THAT ONE TO PREVIOUS SETTING before trying another!!

Here is a list of what the X58 voltages do. But i'm pretty sure ICH is what your after


THE VOLTAGES
Caution: The voltage you set is not necessarily the voltage you get. Furthermore the voltage you read is not necessarily accurate either. The Eleet utility (along with any other software monitoring utility) will simply report what the motherboard tells it to report. When measured independently, these readings are close, but not entirely accurate.

VCore (default: 1.28125v, Intel's max 1.375v, VCore over 1.50v on air cooling is risky)
What it does:
Sets max voltage to the CPU cores. (if Vdroop is disabled, it will set the min voltage instead) The i7 doesn't need much voltage at speeds under 3.8ghz. (For example, I can get 3.8ghz on 1.275 vcore) Beyond that the voltage requirements climb sharply.
When to raise VCore:
BSOD 101 "Clock Interrupt not received from Secondary Processor"
LinX produces errors that are very
LinX errors happen within 1 min of LinX
LinX produces BSOD within the first minute
You know VCore is too high when:
CPU cores approach a peak of 85c on full load
It is unknown how higher voltages may impact the life of the CPU
CPU VTT Voltage (default: 1.1V (+0mV in BIOS) Intel's max 1.35 (+250mV)
What it does:
VTT connects the cores with the memory. Raising VTT helps keep a system stable at higher QPI rate. Since QPI is calculated from bclk: the higher the bclk the more VTT voltage you will need. VTT is also called "QPI/DRAM Core" on other motherboards,

Prevent CPU damage: VTT voltage must be within 0.5V of VDimm. Vdimm can fluctuate by as much as 0.05V from settings so you may want VTT within 0.45V of VDimm for that extra margin of safety. Example: if Vdimm is 1.65V, then VTT must be at least 1.20V.
When to raise CPU VTT Voltage:
BSOD 124 "general hardware failure"
LinX errors happen only after 10 min or more
LinX hangs but does not BSOD
LinX reboots without BSOD
You know CPU VTT Voltage is too high when:
Most users try and stay below 1.45V (+350V) for 24/7 use without additional direct cooling.
The motherboard doesn't read the temp so you may need an IR thermometer to be sure you are not pushing VTT too far.

CPU PLL VCore (default: 1.800V, spec range: 1.65V-1.89V)
What it does:
Keeps CPU clock in-sync with bclk.
When to raise CPU PLL VCore:
May help with stability while increasing the bclk or CPU multiplier.(or may make it worse)
May help with stability past 210 bclk if you observe that during runtime the QPI Link (found in E-Leet) bounces too much.
Not a commonly raised. May actually cause instability. Test this variable alone.
You know CPU PLL VCore s too high when:
Its possible you could actually gain stability by lowering this.

DIMM Voltage (default: 1.5V, Intel's max 1.65)
What it does:
Voltage to the RAM. Despite Intel's warnings, you can raise voltage beyond 1.65 as long as it is always within 0.5V of VTT (as described above).
When to raise DIMM Voltage :
High performance/gaming RAM usually requires at least 1.65v to run at spec. Some manage to get it slightly lower.
Stable bclks over 180 often require VDIMM beyond 1.65V. Remember to keep VTT voltage within 0.5V of VDIMM.
You know DIMM Voltage is too high when:
Memory is too hot. [more info on this is needed]

DIMM DQ Vref (default: +0mV)
What it does:
It is the reference voltage for a pseudo-differential transmission line. The DQ signals sent by the memory controller on the i7 should swing between logic-hi and logic-lo voltages centered around VREF. VREF is typically half way between the drain and source voltages on the RAM. Most VREF generator circuits are designed to center between the VDD and VSS voltages on the RAM. There is usually temperature compensation built into the circuitry as well.
When to raise DIMM DQ Vref:
Vref might be adjusted if (after measurement) it was determined not to be properly centered between VDD and VSS of the DIMM. Without a good osciloscope it's difficult to imagine that most users could set VREF correctly. They may be able to set VREF empirically by moving it up or down and checking for POST or BSOD problems.
Further reading:
http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/ddr2/TN4723.pdf The document is for DDR2 but differential signaling is a topic that transcends memory models. It has been done for decades in high-end systems and the advantages/drawbacks are well understood.

QPI PLL VCore (default: 1.1v, <1.4v is pretty safe)
What it does:
Keeps on-chip memory controller in-sync with bclk.
When to raise QPI PLL VCore:
Try raising this along with Vcore and VTT, but in smaller increments.
Helps stabilize higher CPU Uncore frequencies and QPI frequencies (in CPU feature)
Try raising this when you increase memory clock speed via multiplier.
Try raising when LinX produces errors after a few minutes without BSOD

IOH Vcore (default: 1.1V)
What it does:
Sets voltage for on-chip north bridge which connects PCIE2.0, GPU, Memory, and CPU.
When to raise IOH VCore:
Possibly needed if you overclock your north bridge (via bclk and CPU Uncore freq.)
You know IOH VCore is too high when:
Memory errors? (just a guess)
GPU intensive apps like 3dmark vantage crash. (another guess)

IOH/ICH I/O Voltage (default: 1.5V)
What it does:
some sort of on-chip bus voltage. unknown

ICH Vcore (default: 1.05V)
What it does:
South Bridge chip on the motherboard. Connects all motherboard features, cards (not PCIE2.0), and drives to CPU/memory on IOH
When to raise ICH Vcore:
I don't know if raising this can help in overclocking at all. Possibly necessary in order to keep up with an overclocked northbridge?
You know ICH Vcore is too high when:
unknown. I wouldn't overvolt it too much though.

PWM Frequency (default: 800)
What it does:
unknown
When to raise PWM Frequency:
Overclocking beyond 4.2ghz
You know PWM Frequency is too high when:
VREG approaches 85c

VDroop (default: enabled)
What it does:
Safety feature designed by Intel to protect the chip from excessive wear from voltage spikes. Enabling VDroop keeps actual voltage running below the VCore setting in BIOS
What does disabling VDroop do?
Makes VCore setting the minimum value for actual voltage; CPU will run at higher voltages than what you set in BIOS.
Disabling VDroop is the same as enabling Load Line Calibration on other x58 boards.
Why would I want to disable VDroop?
Some overclockers use it because it allows them to get a high overclock while setting lower VCore in BIOS. This is because the running voltage is actually higher than what was set in BIOS. Disabling VDroop keeps actual voltage higher than what is set for VCore in the BIOS. Enabling Vdroop keeps actual voltage lower than VCore.
It might help if you are pushing the bleeding edge.
Edited by Asustweaker - 1/10/12 at 1:03am
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thanks for the tips Asus, I will sure give those things a try and post back and let you know what I find.
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Ok so I went into BIos and loaded the default settings.

Went back into Windows and on the first boot my USB TPlink receiver was powered down, had to unplug and plug back in the cable. So this seems problematic from the start.

Once that was working I plugged in the external hard drive and within seconds a blue screen of death.

It's one that i've seen many times:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033

Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: 1000007e
BCP1: FFFFFFFFC0000005
BCP2: FFFFF8800DD1D314
BCP3: FFFFF8800D6B85A8
BCP4: FFFFF8800D6B7E00
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1

I've read somewhere in these forums that the 0x7e code has to do with windows files being corrupted after a failed overclock. I've tried the fixes suggested on those threads but they did not provide any solution.

The suggestion was to open an elevated command promp and run some sort of file checking, then run a disk check which loads at reboot. Both of those found no errors .

So here's what I think may be going on:

1. Either USB ports are going out

2. My tplink wireless receiver is faulty or the external hard disk is faulty or both.

3. There's some sort of grounding issue with the motherboard/case (i received the Haf-x case for christmas so I recently swapped everything out from my previous case)

4. The windows files are corrupted from overclocking and I must reinstall windows, which of course is always a PITA.

So now that these problems happen again with all stock settings can I say that the overclock was not the problem? And if so I should be able to go back to that until I isolate the problem? Thanks again for the suggestions.
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Well at all stock setting you received the same issues, I am gonna say the issue is with in windows registry and .DLL, .inf, config files. I have had this happen to me before as well. The solution was to re install windows. Have you tried to run a registry fix, or windows error scan? Just 1 more thing you could try as a last resort B4 re formatting.

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Ok I ran Ccleaner and found a few registry errors to cleanup and I'm gonna run checkdisk as soon as I'm done transferring some files. I'd hate to resort to a fresh install but there might not be any choice!
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I feel your pain man!!!
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Well I went through and got everything back to stock and re-installed windows, still having the same problems frown.gif. Must be something with my USB hardware then is the only thing i can think off.
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