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ANother argument.

How is the 7970 slightly faster than a GTX 580?

It's 20-40% without overclocking... which is one of the highlights on the 7970 -- It can be clocked to nearly as fast as a GTX 590/6990 for 2/3rd's the price.
     
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I can't believe people are still complaining about the 7970 pricing, not only is it the most powerful card on the market, it destroys GTX580 in every game, it runs cooler, much more energy efficient, but also its $900 where I live.

Of course you'll get the HD7970 over the GTX580 even if its few pounds more expensive..
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Far as the 3d references if you are curious about the comparison of ATI 3d tech and Nvidia's 3d tech check out the recent article on toms. They found that the proprietary nature of Nvidia's 3d solution was solid but lacked a competitive marketplace. Nvidia maintains huge discretion over what parts are used on things they choose to approve. Thus the market is not properly competing and improving against each other. What I am saying is basically brands wont matter with a nvidia setup as much. Toms mentioned that the new 3d glasses and monitors nvidia just came out with was a good upgrade.

ATI solution is based on a competitive marketplace with no approval or discretion over components or specs. They require from what the article said 3rd party software and monitors that support 3d over the new video specification display port. Currently a number of monitors support this tech and the number will increase. Hopefully to the extent that projectors with display ports and 3d capabilitys become available. The main benefit to this system is that you can use a array of monitors using eyefinity to create a truely emmersive 3d enviroment.

My take on reading the article was Tom's found benefits to each system and drawbacks to each system but seemed to lean towards the ATI solution. I personally did the research on this subject to find out if my TV could be used to 3d game. It can not most 3d tvs can not. Regardless of your choice on brands. This was disappointing but I seen a much higher likelihood that in the future I would upgrade to a 3d solution that uses display port connection.

** Edit: I want to mention that 3d gaming was pushing Tom's setups to the max. They recommended not even looking at anything under a 6970 or 580... So this new card would be required on a multi monitor setup.

Just my 2 cents on 3d gaming and recommend the article.
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Where did you get that from. 6990 is at least £100 more exspensive than the 7990.

They released the Radeon 7990s already eek.gif How did I miss that!
    
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I bought my X1950XTX for $479.
Having said that I believe 7970 is priced too high.
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I must disagree given what I've paid in the past. I'm seeing higher prices being paid by me for the same sort of card in the latest generation. Each two or three generations, it's like £100 extra...
I'll mention this again in the future when one card equivalent to the 570 in the 500 series costs £800! tongue.gif

Inflation and taxes companies probably pay now for global warming that didnt exist back then. Isnt there a luxury tax in the UK?

I do agree though, for a little more you get so much more with a 7970 when compared to a 580. I dont know why nvidia hasnt given their cards more memory, Would be nice is standard 570 had 1.5-2.0GB and 580 2GB
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I remember reading an article some where that threw the recent years hardware has moved drastically forward in technological advances, while software advances are at a slower rate.
The synopses of the article was we are making hardware more advance then we are making software that utilizes it.
I feel this kind of hold true, even though the 580 is one generation behind the 7970, it still can handle most of the software we throw at it. Not to say the 7970 won't do this, maybe 30 or 40% fast then the 580? But on very small scale, those 30 to 40% really only relate to what 10? 20? fps?
Not to say getting a 7970 is justified for those who can afford to get them now, I feel its the bling factor driving most people. If you own a 580+, it will still last you many years to come given you have the option to SLI. When the software the comes out that exceeds the 580's capabilities, kelper will no longer be top dog and we will all be drooling over the current years new generation of technology.
TLDR version: 7970 is still pimp, but I'm personally in no rush to get them.

I agree, 7970 is a beast, although these benchmarks are kind of misleading in the sense that the 7970 is x% faster than the stock 580s at 772mhz, of course the numbers seem super impressive you are comparing a card with a core clock of 772 to one that has a core clock of 900 to 1000. When compared to the higher end versions of the 580 this difference is pretty marginal.
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The point the OP made a long while ago is the 7970 is more money than a 6990 and for best price perfomance in his country the 6990 would be his best price performance.
The debate is moot anyway.

Where did you get that from. 6990 is at least £100 more exspensive than the 7990. Most are £150+ more. I've just gone from a GTX 580 to a 7970. An overclocked 7970 destroys any kind of benches and gaming FPS my overclcoked 580 could manage.

A. I never ever never ever said the 580 was better performance than the 7970 since it was released on any post. I'm a realist.

On a side note: One thing I did comment on other threads is how they are comparing the 7970 on multiple monitors with the 1.5GB version instead of the 3.0 GB card on benches. The GTX 580 1.5GB was not intended for surround, hence why the 3.0GB version came out.

On other benches they compare the 7970 manually over clocked card to a weak factory OC version of the 580 instead of a manually over clocked card.

Two types of comparisons that are skewed. I digress....

B. There are soooo many of these threads that get derailed off topic, when I replied to this one I realized now that I'm home and not on my iPhone this was the article I was referring to: http://www.overclock.net/t/1197087/nvidia-580-or-amd-7970/10 when I made the comment about the OP and his country selling the 6990 for less than the 7970. DOH....my bad. doh.gif Wrong thread.
     
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the only reason for this pricing could be one thing............COMPETITION
AMD just scored a goal in an empty field

in my place sapphire7970 costs 651 USD

where i bought the lightning XTREME for 605 USD...yesterday called the store if i can switch to 7970 but damn they only import MSI cards if they can manage the card within 30th JAN i will take it if not i'll leave it........but honestly i am sooo not in the mood to loose this 580 it looks BEAST

and i am also aware of AMD's stupid driver support ,stuttering and i may have to give up on 3D for which i bought the lightning XTREME
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Ummm my 900 Core / 1800 Shader is 16% OC and no voltage tweak at 1.0880 mV. 24/7 setting btw.
I like how people without a 580 are telling us how our cards over clock. wink.gif

Lol I agree. I run mine at the exact same settings you do for 24/7.
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