Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › DDC Pump Top
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

DDC Pump Top

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hey Guys,

I saw the Martins Liquid Lab results of 11 test pump tops and saw the XSPC was the clear winner. This prompted me to look at these (2) pumps;

XSPC Premium Acrylic Reservoir for Laing DDC
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23357


XSPC Premium Laing DDC Clear Acrylic Top - Version 3.0
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=22700

However, after reading acouple threads (yea I did use the search button!) many people said that article is rather outdated (due to it being acouple years old).

What would you say is the best performance upgrade top for a DDC pump? (Not looking to break the bank.. $20-$35 tops..)

Side Questions:
Is picking up one of those heat sinks for the DDC pump worth the $20? I dont want the pumps crapping out on me and my ambient and case temps seem to be rather high. Thoughts on that would be appreciated.

Thanks!
post #2 of 22
As for the hear-sink, the DDC-3.x (MCP355) runs under load around 100C. The DDC-1T (MCP350) runs under load around 60C. The -1T does run cooler. If you place a RES top onto the -1T, the flow will increase and the working temp doesn't increase much at all.

As for picking the right top, that depends on the BLING factor, what size fittings are to be used, where the RES is to fit in the case for space and so forth. Bits-Power also has a sweet RES top. It's very compact and is a level above just the 1/2-in fitting performance top.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 x2 5000 Black 2.6Ghz OC 3.3Ghz GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H Full Radeon 780G HD 3200 4GB Corsair DDR2 6400C4 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache Windows 7 Pro x64 Corsair HX620W Meridian XClio High Tower I 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 x2 5000 Black 2.6Ghz OC 3.3Ghz GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H Full Radeon 780G HD 3200 4GB Corsair DDR2 6400C4 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache Windows 7 Pro x64 Corsair HX620W Meridian XClio High Tower I 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 22
That old test is pretty out of date on a few revision. EK has since then released a couple of iterations, haven't tested one myself, but I believe they closed most of that gap. Swiftech also has a top now that performs pretty well. Not quite to XSPC optimization, but pretty darn close.

As far as cooling, it really depends on flow rate. High restriction and flow rates at 1GPM or so shouldn't be a problem without, but if you're pushing 2+GPM, a heatsink is a good idea with an 18watt pump.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
I picked up the xspc res top. As far a heat sinks go.. i guess i will skip it for now.. i plan on putting the pump and top in my 5.25 bay under a dvd drive and a soon to be fan contoller i hope it fits within 3 bays..

Should i try to rig it so its just not sitting on the metal? Almost like how the heat sink lifts it off the ground..

If that made any sense..
post #5 of 22
Disregard the flow data, I was simply trying to say the heat generated depends how much flow rate there is. In extremely low restriction type setups, the flow rate could be very high which is when these pumps generate the most heat. But if there is a lot of restriction, then the flow rate and heat generated is much lower.

I'm still not sure a heatsink is really necessary though, just one of those extra safety factors, but they do get hot. A lot of people have had great success by simply keeping the bottom slightly raised off the case bottom and allowing air to flow under the bottom from a case fan or radiator fan. I would start there and see do some hand heat type tests to see how hot it's getting.thumb.gif
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you for explaining. I have an extra hdd heatsink/fan unit. When i rewire my case ill try to rig it so the pump is on that. I am sure it will function to a similar degree as the heatsink designed for it would.

I plan on putting together a work log for it so ill let you know when i start
post #7 of 22
When I add a second pump for redundancy both my 18 watt pumps will get the full treatment, both DDC 3.25 18 watt pumps will be receiving two 80mm fans and heat sinks so that I'm not dumping all that heat into my loop!
post #8 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMattes View Post

Should i try to rig it so its just not sitting on the metal? Almost like how the heat sink lifts it off the ground..
If that made any sense..

Indeed isolate the pumps from direct contact with the computer HDD cage or case. Martin mentioned that the dBa can increase up to 10dBa vs isolation. Decouple the pump from transmitting noise is a real help and gives you peace of mind sleeping.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 x2 5000 Black 2.6Ghz OC 3.3Ghz GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H Full Radeon 780G HD 3200 4GB Corsair DDR2 6400C4 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache Windows 7 Pro x64 Corsair HX620W Meridian XClio High Tower I 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 x2 5000 Black 2.6Ghz OC 3.3Ghz GigaByte GA-MA78GM-S2H Full Radeon 780G HD 3200 4GB Corsair DDR2 6400C4 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache Windows 7 Pro x64 Corsair HX620W Meridian XClio High Tower I 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 22
I have actually been suspending my pumps from tubing alone lately. It just takes a little planning and there is no need for fancy isolation dampening for noise
. Thr best pump mount is none at all when it comes to noise and suspending via tubing gives you that as well as allowing air flow over the base.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K ASrock X79 Ext7 Evga GTX570 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Phoenix SSD+2TB Seagate drives ASUS DVD-RW combo Windows 7 28" Hanns-G HZ281 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
MS Natural Corsair TX650 Danger Den Torture Rack Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
Desk 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210 View Post

I have actually been suspending my pumps from tubing alone lately. It just takes a little planning and there is no need for fancy isolation dampening for noise
. Thr best pump mount is none at all when it comes to noise and suspending via tubing gives you that as well as allowing air flow over the base.

You should check out that Gel-Stuff Vibration Absorption Block at Petra's Tech Shop, you still have to elevate the pumps or the Gel Stuff will melt!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › DDC Pump Top