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If it's an Atom then it is x86. And x86 phone will be sweet, I'll put Windows 7 on it. tongue.gif

But x86 is inefficient and ARM is much more power efficient WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT IN A PHONE!tongue.gif

I'm not entirely sure about this but I think x86 algorithms are much faster than ARM ones.
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Won't this screw with apps that run low level ARM code
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Can you name one? I was looking at it recently and just about everything is run through the Java VM. Even using the NDK you make code that gets used by Java, despite being in another language and I have not yet found a project making serious use of the NDK as Google explicitly advises against it due to a potential for platform exclusiveness.
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The best news I think is that it'll have an SGX540 inside, and not an Intel HD something.

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I assume you're being sarcastic.

Hehe, of course. I'm kind of mocking the whole general sentiment that ARM's ISA is a godsend and that x86 is filled with so much baggage that it can't compete. Mostly by people who don't understand what goes into making a CPU tongue.gif
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I'm not entirely sure about this but I think x86 algorithms are much faster than ARM ones.

Algorithms are a programming problem - not a lot to do with x86 vs ARM.
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ARM processes will be shrinking as well. It will be interesting to see how the dual-core 22nm atom version stacks up against that A15 though.

22nm is smaller than 28nm. 22nm at intel is not a bulk process, so performance and power savings are better.

The big news here is that A9 chips use 20-30% MORE power than the atom (browsing) while the dual-cores are soundly beaten by a single core atom. Anand also shows that the Apple A5 uses twice as much power at idle as Medfield.

With a single-core atom beating a dual-core a9 (albeit in a bench that's mostly dependent on a single thread), then (accounting for clockspeed) we can assume that Medfield is a bit faster per clock. I think that Krait and A15 will be about the same IPC as Medfield, but Intel's 22nm competitor will be faster per clock.

The question that I have is will future ULV processors be efficient enough to fit in tablets with slightly larger batteries? I see this as both possible and the best solution. Current ultrabooks get about 5 hours of battery, but have larger screens, backlit keyboards, and other battery draining features. I wouldn't mind carrying around a 12-13" touchscreen ultrabook similar to the lenovo demo model at CES if battery life were comparable to a tablet.
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This should be interesting. A bit OT, but I can't wait to see Windows tablets... just hope they don't wp7.
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I assume you're being sarcastic.
No he cerial... hence the tongue.gif
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Algorithms are a programming problem - not a lot to do with x86 vs ARM.

no not really. there are a number of low level algorithms that x86 and arm does differently. Even basic things like addition are done very differently
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While cool I wouldn't want to be an early adopter. My windows phone has way less apps, just think how it would be for an x86 processor in an arena dominated by ARM. Maybe there will be some kind of emulation, but all the java based programs should work, I'm not too familiar with how all the apps work.
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While cool I wouldn't want to be an early adopter. My windows phone has way less apps, just think how it would be for an x86 processor in an arena dominated by ARM. Maybe there will be some kind of emulation, but all the java based programs should work, I'm not too familiar with how all the apps work.

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