OCN vs EGC - TF2 Scrimmage(Winter Rumble) - Page 6  

All the info is in the OP - but for some reason people need reminders 1 week, 1 day and 1 hour beforehand. I have to do this at work too, humans are just forgetful creatures. This is just a video game scrim, however it is still a commitment to which you are responsible.

We need to make sure that classes such as engineer and medic really know what they are doing. On a map like Badwater, if our medics and engis are running around without a real clear vision of what they need to do, we will get walked on by their medics who are using ubers to take out our guns and break up our defense. The less organized we are, the less organized EVGA will need to be to completely roll us. The more we are organized, the more they will have to REACT instead of dictating the match. This is a competitive match, we're here to win right?

Sooooo let's prepare and do it right.

If nothing else, we should be aware of the important areas of the map, and the strengths and weaknesses of our classes on that map - plus the general offensive and defensive strategies at our disposal to defend and attack on that map. I know some of you have played competitively and some not, so I will just drop some tips I see as being valuable below:

- Medics NEVER EVER overextend, don't attack in the front, stay back and build ubers
- Use an uber if you feel like you might lose it, even if not optimal
- WHERE are the best spots to use an uber?
- Know the map layout in general, flanks, shortcuts (we should all understand what we call various parts of the map)
- Call out everything to your team "They are going right" - "Their medic is down" - "Roof is clear" - etc, etc
- Be aware of when we have uber, and when they have uber (going to be hard with 3 medics)
- Do not over extend and die - stay with your team and medics building ubers and staying alive
- SPYCHECK SPYCHECK for the love of GOD don't let a spy run around on us
- If we are losing the point, retreat and remount instead of dying for no reason
- Pyros NEED to airblast ubers away from the guns, this alone will give us a huge advantage on defense
- Help the support classes support. Keep the engi alive, guard the medics (one pyro may want to use homewrecker, etc)

If anyone wants to talk strategy outside of practice, send me a PM or hit me on STEAM - or post it here (der). If we all got organized, we could actually enact some planned tactics. And if nothing else we will all be thinking along the same lines, which goes a long way in getting 16 people to move as a unit.
Edited by _02 - 1/17/12 at 6:38am

Well said 02. Some other points I would stress:
- STAY ALIVE, STAY ALIVE, STAY ALIVE, STAY ALIVE! The longer/more we're alive, the more chance we have of winning. It sounds simple, but makes ALL the difference.
- DO NOT try to be a hero and take on 3-4 people by yourself. We need to push, attack, and defend AS A TEAM. 1 person is not going to change the outcome of the game.
- COMMUNICATE! 02 Mentioned this, but it's worth mentioning again
- Engi's, if you know an uber is coming your way, pick up your gun and run away. When the uber fades rebuild your gun. I've seen many teams do this and it forces the uber to chase down the engi, thus killing any other kind of advancement that would have happened. It's a valid tactic.
- Stick to the game plan! We've done this in the previous bouts. We'd try to setup an attack or defense, go over all the strategies, and when the game started, EVERYTHING that we had planned people had forgotten or just simply didn't do. If a specific strategy isn't working, we need to rethink/revise it AS A TEAM!

If we stick to our plan, and play smart, we will win. If we don't, and start running around aimlessly, we are going to get rolled. I for one am sick of letting EVGA beat us, let's turn the tables this year.

I can't wait to wipe the floor with them

Anyone want to play today? I want to see how good the team is lol.

I play TF2 daily, so I'm down for playing. OCN server in a few hours then?

I don't play on the OCN servers. PM your ID, and I will add you to steam, then I'll join.

As far as being a pyro goes, I always put people out, spy check around medics and engineers, and juggle Ubers. Also, I think we need to communicate more but that's just me

Good. People underestimate the Pyro. He is an anti spy, anti uber, anti pyro support machine. Communication is SUPER important. Letting someone know that there is a soldier and a medic coming up to the roof can be the difference between our pyro neutralizing their uber and their soldier killing 5 people and taking the roof over.

- Say it briefly and don't scream it
- Try to keep the channel quiet unless you are saying something important
- Don't stay silent, it promotes you to drop out of the team and play solo - bad idea (don't be afraid to speak up, we <3 you for it)
- Medics should coordinate ubers over mic, using two at a time to push if we need to. Using one failed one after another is pointless

Flanks (as I'm sure some/most/all are aware) are paths that allow the enemy to pop out behind our team. If you see a sudden lul in their offensive, be aware that they are possibly moving their medic with an uber and a few people to try and get behind us on the left or right. Call out potential flanks when you see them, and when you hear someone call a flank, check your position and prepare to minimize their success!

- Be aware of where flanks are on the map, and pay attention to them. Unprepared flanking is DEATH
- Pay attention to their team. If their aggressive soldier and a medic disappear for 45 seconds, check your flanks
- If their team stops pushing for a while, check your flanks for multiple ubers
- If the flanking exits are behind you, you are vulnerable - pay attention closely
- Engineers may want to put a single level 3 behind us to prevent an easy flank

Also, we need to utilize flanks. Hey, we are pushing hard up front and they seem to be neglecting the right side flanks? Put an uber pyro through their right flank while another medic uses an uber up front and we crush them from two directions, moving our support classes in and capturing the point. A proper flank is devastating.
Edited by _02 - 1/18/12 at 7:11am

I'd love to be in if I could play with ~300 ping. Otherwise I hope there's gonna be some source TV on this, I'd like to see this. What time is 6pm PDT in terms of GMT?

I know there's already a practice schedule, but I think we should get a few more games then the schedule out there.

The games on the schedule should be used for building teamwork and seeing which combinations work best of specific players, but I think we should get a few other games going to help create a standard set of names for different areas of the maps. I'm sure some players have their own names for areas and their own way of calling things out and I think if we can work on that, it would be a huge advantage

I'm going to get on tonight probably for a few hours at least around 7 EST