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Yeah. Sandy's memory controller is spec'd to 1600 and lower (same for Ivy?). So that could be one reason, but in general and only my own experience, 4 sticks do not OC as well as 2. In this case, the memory is rated at 1866, so is it really a memory OC or actually a cpu memory controller OC? The latter, yes?

Yea both my z68 and the z77 seem to be 1600 native and all higher speeds at OC. Even w/ the old 775 socket having 4 dimms full always made it harder to OC. I think its a memory overclock that being forced through changing the SPD ratio(1600mhz is 1:6 ratio).

The old 775 socket you would usually run a 1:1 which would make your ram double your FSB. So a 400mhz fsb and 1:1 SPD would make your ram run at 800mhz. Then if your ram could OC higher then your FSB you could force a higher ratio maybe a 1:2(IIRC) which would keep your FSB at 400 and force overclock your ram to 960mhz (400 x 1.2 = 480, 480 x2 =960)

Ive only ran 1600mhz ram in my board and never had 4 dimms full on this board or others so i haven't ran into this type of issue.

This is why i was also wondering if maybe VTT could be the issue since this is linked to the IMC? From what ive read though your supposed to have a roughly a 0.5 difference between Ram voltage and VTT so 1.5 - 1.047 (my VTT on auto) = 0.453 but then some threads were seem to be saying VTT can safely go up to 1.1v. headscratch.gif Many seem to increase VTT w/ 4 dimms or when overclocking their ram but i havent had to play w/ this at all
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Chefproject - very nice OC. Great chip you got there thumb.gif
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Yea both my z68 and the z77 seem to be 1600 native and all higher speeds at OC. Even w/ the old 775 socket having 4 dimms full always made it harder to OC. I think its a memory overclock that being forced through changing the SPD ratio. Ive only ran 1600mhz ram in my board and never had 4 dimms full on this board or others so i haven't ran into this type of issue.

This is why i was also wondering if maybe VTT could be the issue since this is linked to the IMC? From what ive read though your supposed to have a roughly a 0.5 difference between Ram voltage and VTT so 1.5 - 1.047 (my VTT on auto) = 0.453 but then some threads were seem to be saying VTT can safely go up to 1.1v. headscratch.gif Many seem to increase VTT w/ 4 dimms or when overclocking their ram but i havent had to play w/ this at all

Good point (as always wink.gif ). VTT could address his 1866 problem. I think he is at 1.65V to dram, so there is some room to work. I was leery of raising vtt when working the the 4 sticks of 2133 i had ( the new 1.5V gskills). I have no/low experience with VTT so wont be much help.
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To be honest, I'd rather run @ 1600 than have another voltage to tweak :-)

I can't tell any difference in "feel" at 1600, and only a slight difference in something like Cinebench.
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Thanks to the person/people who wrote this guide. Its really easy to understand and well organized. I'm a first time builder and soon to be first time overclocker, and for me this guide has been really helpful in furthering my understanding of overclocking. If it weren't for the folks out there who are willing to share their time and experience with others I'd be completely lost. This guide as well as this website as a whole has helped me tremendously so far in learning what to do, and what not to do.

I'll be sure to post here again in the near future and display the results of my first attempt. My personal goal is to at least achieve a stable 4Ghz clock on an i7-3770k Ivy Bridge processor, and if its within reach a 4.2 - 4.4Ghz clock. I'm quite excited to try this, as it'll be quite a milestone for me to achieve. I guess I can now call myself a newbie computer nerd lol.

So again thank you OCN folks, you've helped this amateur computer enthusiast a bunch!thumb.gif
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To be honest, I'd rather run @ 1600 than have another voltage to tweak :-)

I can't tell any difference in "feel" at 1600, and only a slight difference in something like Cinebench.

very true, you will not "feel" 2133 vs 1600 in normal use. but if it's one of the ram timing values you may not need to change VTT. Did you cross check vs th spec sheet?
Anyway - Have fun!
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Hi Jpmboy,
I checked Kingston's site, and this is all I see for a spec sheet: http://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KHX1866C9D3K4_16GX.pdf and it just lists the basic timings. I might try e-mailing Kingston support.
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question for you knowledgable folk here.

I have a nice stable oc so no problems there. The question is more in relation to the vdroop with low end tasks.

idle im at 0.984v.
full load @ 1.248.
lightloads @ 1.280....

now, my machine wont always be doing fully loaded cpu tasks all the time but this spike to 1.280 bothers me. If I were at a fixed voltage instead of offset it would never go that high. I dont need to go that high. (I understand offset is better cause its not driving the volts all the time)..
How do I stop this? Thoughts?
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Hi Jpmboy,
I checked Kingston's site, and this is all I see for a spec sheet: http://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KHX1866C9D3K4_16GX.pdf and it just lists the basic timings. I might try e-mailing Kingston support.

They will reply. Its worth asking. You should be able to run at the rated speed. On that sheet, see the 160 and 36 values? Check that in the XMP.
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question for you knowledgable folk here.

I have a nice stable oc so no problems there. The question is more in relation to the vdroop with low end tasks.

idle im at 0.984v.
full load @ 1.248.
lightloads @ 1.280....

now, my machine wont always be doing fully loaded cpu tasks all the time but this spike to 1.280 bothers me. If I were at a fixed voltage instead of offset it would never go that high. I dont need to go that high. (I understand offset is better cause its not driving the volts all the time)..
How do I stop this? Thoughts?

That spike is a windoes thing. Mine does the same. I too was worried about this a year or so ago with this sandy cpu, but they all do it. You are well within the safe operating range for your chip,

You may be able to lower offset or turbo, and decrease LLC?
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