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Wondering if someone can give me some help with a new OC on a i5 3570k on an Z77 Pro4.

I'm running into a throttling issue when running prime or IntelBurn. My temps are only 71C, when throttling occurs. It starts at 4.7ghz and offset of .100v and turbo .02v, I have my primary and secondard plane currents maxed at 500, short and long term as well.

My temps seem fine, but it continues to throttle back to stock at 71C (ish, it's sometimes at 70, sometimes at 73) and will hold for 5-10 seconds then bump back to 4.7 for 20ish second and continue the cycle.

What am I missing?

*edit*
A few other notes, the throttling doesn't occur until about a minute of testing (making me think it's a temp issue). I've had this happen at 4.6 and offset of .08v (and the throttle occurs around 60C), 4.7 .100v (71C throttling), and 4.8v at .150v offset (80C throttling). It's stable and doesn't error or crash, but it always throttles back to 3.4. Temps are different for each throttle, the MB is defiintely pulling more power at 4.8ghz. I'm getting 220 watts when running 4.8ghz and only 150 watts at 4.6ghz, so the systems pulls 220 watts fine but still throttles 150 watts at 4.6ghz and 61C?

Welcome to the forum, I am kind of new here myself. It will be easier for the folks here to help you if you fill out the rig builder that can be found in the top right hand corner of the page directly over the link to your profile. Unfortunaltly as I have no valuable experience with ITB, only Prime95, I cannot be of much assistance. I do know that some programs have the "distance to TJMax" set for processors other than Ivy Bridge, which has a higher TJ Max than sandy bridge. The internal temp sensor in the CPU doesn't actually report the temp, but instead reports the distance to max temp. The programs then take the distance to TJ Max and subtract it from the preprogramed TJMax to show you your current temperature. So if the TJ Max is set within the program for sandy bridge, which I believe was 98, but you are using a ivy bridge processor with a TJMax of 105, the throttling would occur 7 degrees sooner. That doesn't account for why it would be throttling at 60. But if you are using "Real Temp", open the setting menu and click the "Set TJ Max" button in the top left hand corner, 105 for ivy and 98 for sandy. Any other temperature monitoring software is likely to have a similar setting.
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Tried for 4.7ghz with a +0.140 turbo offset, saw a max temp of 87C, but had a WHEA error inside of 20min. Am I safe to add more vcore at that temp?

Sure - yuo just need to watch the temps. reading Sin's OC review, it is clear that every degree with Ivy matters a bunch for OC.
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Wondering if someone can give me some help with a new OC on a i5 3570k on an Z77 Pro4.

I'm running into a throttling issue when running prime or IntelBurn. My temps are only 71C, when throttling occurs. It starts at 4.7ghz and offset of .100v and turbo .02v, I have my primary and secondard plane currents maxed at 500, short and long term as well.

My temps seem fine, but it continues to throttle back to stock at 71C (ish, it's sometimes at 70, sometimes at 73) and will hold for 5-10 seconds then bump back to 4.7 for 20ish second and continue the cycle.

What am I missing?

*edit*
A few other notes, the throttling doesn't occur until about a minute of testing (making me think it's a temp issue). I've had this happen at 4.6 and offset of .08v (and the throttle occurs around 60C), 4.7 .100v (71C throttling), and 4.8v at .150v offset (80C throttling). It's stable and doesn't error or crash, but it always throttles back to 3.4. Temps are different for each throttle, the MB is defiintely pulling more power at 4.8ghz. I'm getting 220 watts when running 4.8ghz and only 150 watts at 4.6ghz, so the systems pulls 220 watts fine but still throttles 150 watts at 4.6ghz and 61C?

Hi AJ - as ineden suggested, please fill in rig builder and post bios screen shots (usb key, fat32, post with it in, hit F12 on each bios page, scroll where needed) using the "paperclip" or "spoiler" method. soumds like thermal throttling. what cooler are you using? do you have a copy of p95? frankly, pulling 220 watts out of your chip - you need excellent heat management.

PS> be cautious at those power ratings.

read this at sinhardware.com: "The Science behind the 22nm 3D Transistor and how it can help us overclock!"
http://sinhardware.com/index.php/overclockingoc-guides/116-ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide/126-ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-with-ln2-guide-at-the-end
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How come people are adjusting the offset to a negative voltage? Doesn't that only help lower your CPU voltage in IDLE states, or am I just really tired and not understanding it? biggrin.gif
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SCHWEET!
give me your offset and turbo and ill check it on my board at the same settings.

The red circle is the pair for my mobo, considering how closely related the ext4 and ext6 are, its likely the same set on yours, (but it might possibly be another set along the same line) doesn't matter which of the two posts you put red/black on, if it shows a negative number just flip them.

You dont have to wait for prime to get to a certain point in testing, just let it put it under full load in small fft and measure. After you test your current setup, change nothing but the LLC. 5,4,3 should be safe but possibly not stable(undervolted), and I would advise against LLC1 because while it might be stable but way overvolt. All you are really looking for is the DMM reading against highest reported VCore in HWMonitor to figure what the error rate is.


very interesting data


45 on the multiplier
Turbo @ +0.055v
Offset @ +0.005v




LLC2

Idle 1.016v
actual 1.032v

Load 1.328v
actual 1.375v



LLC3

Idle 1.016v
Actual 1.030v


Load 1.296v
Actual 1.351v




hope this is helpful data! couldn't try LLC 4 or even 5 since the computer was wigging out at llc3. But you can see its not giving the correct readings ....your turn thumb.gif






P.S. Had to edit it since it didnt read the same way it looked on my screen redface.gif
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How come people are adjusting the offset to a negative voltage? Doesn't that only help lower your CPU voltage in IDLE states, or am I just really tired and not understanding it? biggrin.gif

settings in offset affect both idle and load vcore. So. a neg offset lowers both... compensate load vcore with additional turbo volts.
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Getting closer, 6 hours in and worker #3 stopped. Had a max temp on one core of 83c but all cores were averaging between 70-77c. Average CPU-z vcore @ full load was between 1.320-1.328v and hit a max of 1.336. This is w/ a 46 multi, -0.010 offset and +0.074 turbo biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the response, I setup my rig builder and posted a link at the bottom of the page. I should clerify, the wattage was from the wall and is the entire system wattage, so the delta is really only thing you can use and my PSU is ~75-80% efficient on 120v. I was just using it to show that the CPU was obviously drawing enough power and is stable on the high end, so why it's throttling is confusing.

After some more digging I'm running into turbo boost throttling (since the multuplier is going back to 34 and not 16). But my issue is why it's throttling at all when it appears to be completely stable, even at 4.8ghz?

BIOS below (my keyboard is messed up and function keys don't work in the BIOS)
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Thanks again for the welcome!

http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5041976
Edited by ajrettke - 3/12/13 at 8:05pm
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very interesting data


45 on the multiplier
Turbo @ +0.055v
Offset @ +0.005v




LLC2

Idle 1.016v
actual 1.032v

Load 1.328v
actual 1.375v



LLC3

Idle 1.016v
Actual 1.030v


Load 1.296v
Actual 1.351v




hope this is helpful data! couldn't try LLC 4 or even 5 since the computer was wigging out at llc3. But you can see its not giving the correct readings ....your turn thumb.gif






P.S. Had to edit it since it didnt read the same way it looked on my screen redface.gif

here is both of our results with that offset and turbo though all levels of LLC
disregard the one in the middle for the purposes of this discussion, that is what I am attempting to get "qualifying" stable, and may or may not (hopefully not) change.


Also, I am scratching my head as to why you have a lower margin of error on LLC2 than LLC3, it does not fit into the same pattern apparent in my run. Any ideas? Its hard to draw conclusions with just the two in the middle and not the extremes at either end of the LLC spectrum. One thing I have learned for sure, DO NOT shoot for the moon on an ASROCK without a DMM.
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