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post #4831 of 9531
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It seems people don't agree with you. Personally, I wont be removing my board to test this. I have a multimeter, but I am not going to go through the hassle given the amount of time it takes to assemble the system.

Also, a member of the Z77e-itx club put his 3570k in an MSI board, and he reported this-

I don't have to take my motherboard out, there is access to the back of the motherboard by removing the side panel (two thumb screws) Also, he did not see a variation when he used fixed mode, and neither do I. Fixed reports just fine, but fixed mode is mostly obsolete on most modern processors. Just because the two different machines report the same voltage does not mean that he was not getting extra on the ASRock using offset. His results are useless without a DMM to verify. Its offset and LLC that give unreported voltage. Its your board and your chip...do whatever you want to it. Good luck!
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I don't have to take my motherboard out, there is access to the back of the motherboard by removing the side panel (two thumb screws) Also, he did not see a variation when he used fixed mode, and neither do I. Fixed reports just fine, but fixed mode is mostly obsolete on most modern processors. Just because the two different machines report the same voltage does not mean that he was not getting extra on the ASRock using offset. His results are useless without a DMM to verify. Its offset and LLC that give unreported voltage. Its your board and your chip...do whatever you want to it. Good luck!

Read his quote again. On the ASRock, he used offset, then he had to use fixed mode on the MSI. The voltage reported by CPU-Z, in both cases, was exactly what he expected, and exactly the same.

As for removing my board, that's what I would have to do. Which is why I wont be doing it.
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Read his quote again. On the ASRock, he used offset, then he had to use fixed mode on the MSI. The voltage reported by CPU-Z, in both cases, was exactly what he expected, and exactly the same.

As for removing my board, that's what I would have to do. Which is why I wont be doing it.
Read it again, you are missing that its not what is reported in cpuz that is the issue, but what is reported by a DMM. CPU-Z is not reliable for offset and LLC overclocking, and on an ASRock it is particularly unreliable. Unless he reports a DMM and CPUZ reading the same on the ASRock, his results prove absolutely nothing about true voltage.
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Read it again, you are missing that its not what is reported in cpuz that is the issue, but what is reported by a DMM. CPU-Z is not reliable for offset and LLC overclocking, and on an ASRock it is particularly unreliable. Unless he reports a DMM and CPUZ reading the same on the ASRock, his results prove absolutely nothing about true voltage.

Exactly its not a good comparison. thumb.gif

Ryboto if you dont want to listen to anyone in this thread then why even post?
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Exactly its not a good comparison. thumb.gif

Ryboto if you dont want to listen to anyone in this thread then why even post?

So, actually isn't this a sort of self regulating issue for the "casual" overclocker? Sure it is good to know the absolute value for voltage being applied, and if you intend to push your chip to or beyond, or near it's safe operation design limits, then a DMM number is valuable, but not definitive in any way, except for epeen i guess. Your ability to control the heat generated in the limiting event, and an overvolted chip will show it.

Knowing that asrock has a flawed bios (vcore and LLC) on the z77 E4 and E6 is more important... Anybody shoot their Tcase with an IR thermometer?: How do you know the temp is "correct"?
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Read it again, you are missing that its not what is reported in cpuz that is the issue, but what is reported by a DMM. CPU-Z is not reliable for offset and LLC overclocking, and on an ASRock it is particularly unreliable. Unless he reports a DMM and CPUZ reading the same on the ASRock, his results prove absolutely nothing about true voltage.

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Exactly its not a good comparison. thumb.gif

Ryboto if you dont want to listen to anyone in this thread then why even post?

Neither of you have evidence that this is happening on the specific board I'm talking about. And then we have a user, with my board, my cpu, tried applying the same vcore on my board and on another using a fixed voltage, and got the SAME vcore being reported under load.

Lucky, aside from inedenimadam(who I'm listening to) who else have I not listened to?

If there's no evidence to say my board exhibits the same behavior as the one you've tested, and I have evidence from another user that says it may not, I'm going to lean toward the glass is half full.

edit- also depends on whether or not he OC'd the MSI board systematically, or just jumped to 1.208v. For my system, I'm in an mITX case, with a cpu cooler that has no chance of matching tower coolers. I have P95 tested 4.7ghz with 1.26v, and saw temps in the mid 80's. Wouldn't you think I'd see much higher temps if my real vcore was over 1.3v?
Edited by ryboto - 3/20/13 at 4:37pm
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I honestly don't know the lowest voltage it's bootable at. I would be surprised to need 1.5v, sounds like the high end of the spectrum. The chip does 4.5ghz with 1.18v.

so does mine. 1.115v 24 hour prime stable at 4.5.. I need 1.5v for 5ghz
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Neither of you have evidence that this is happening on the specific board I'm talking about. And then we have a user, with my board, my cpu, tried applying the same vcore on my board and on another using a fixed voltage, and got the SAME vcore being reported under load.

Lucky, aside from inedenimadam(who I'm listening to) who else have I not listened to?

If there's no evidence to say my board exhibits the same behavior as the one you've tested, and I have evidence from another user that says it may not, I'm going to lean toward the glass is half full.

Well everyone in here seems to be wrong because it conflicts w/ the information given from the delidded club. Since your planning on pushing your chip to 5.0 and since inedenimadam has been doing some test on the inaccuracy of the voltage being feed to the CPU vs whats displayed in windows then i would say this might be something to look into.

If your just doing a mild OC then its probably not as big of a deal but if your pushing your chip hard then it might be a good safety precaution to know exactly how much voltage your throwing at it so damage doesnt occur.
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Neither of you have evidence that this is happening on the specific board I'm talking about. And then we have a user, with my board, my cpu, tried applying the same vcore on my board and on another using a fixed voltage, and got the SAME vcore being reported under load.

Lucky, aside from inedenimadam(who I'm listening to) who else have I not listened to?

If there's no evidence to say my board exhibits the same behavior as the one you've tested, and I have evidence from another user that says it may not, I'm going to lean toward the glass is half full.
I DO NOT know 100% for sure that it affects all ASRock boards. There is no epeen for me in being right. I am just looking out for my fellow ASRock overclocker. However, if I am right, and you are pushing 5.0+ clocks, you need to know if it is an issue on your board or not. Switching boards to a non ASRock and checking CPUZ does not cut it. The VID for that chip is being read on both boards as the same, but that does not mean that they are both recieving the same. I would ask you or any of your buddies over there at the itx owners club to prove me wrong with a DMM. I believe it more than prudent to assume it is all ASRock boards until disproven at high clocks with a DMM. Please, get your crew to test, I would love to see if my board is an anomoly, or if ASRock screwed the pooch across the whole playing field. Again, I am not afraid to be proven wrong, but the cross platform cpu-z is just not a legitamate result without a DMM.

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I DO NOT know 100% for sure that it affects all ASRock boards. There is no epeen for me in being right. I am just looking out for my fellow ASRock overclocker. However, if I am right, and you are pushing 5.0+ clocks, you need to know if it is an issue on your board or not. Switching boards to a non ASRock and checking CPUZ does not cut it. The VID for that chip is being read on both boards as the same, but that does not mean that they are both recieving the same. I would ask you or any of your buddies over there at the itx owners club to prove me wrong with a DMM. I believe it more than prudent to assume it is all ASRock boards until disproven at high clocks with a DMM. Please, get your crew to test, I would love to see if my board is an anomoly, or if ASRock screwed the pooch across the whole playing field. Again, I am not afraid to be proven wrong, but the cross platform cpu-z is just not a legitamate result without a DMM.

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CPU-Z doesn't read VID. IF he OC'd on the ASRock, and found 1.208 was stable, but in reality it's supplying more, and then goes and tries 1.208v on the MSI, and it's 100% stable, showing the SAME vcore under load, that implies the ASRock is supplying the same vcore as the MSI. Think about it.
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