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post #5381 of 9489
A higher offset will never make an overclock unstable. If you're still seeing errors even with a higher setting, you're just not there yet, simple as that.
Unless of course you've hit the temperature or voltage limit, in which case increasing the Vcore further might not be the best idea...


I'm not a big fan of leaving the Turbo setting on Auto for finding a stable overclock, as you'll never know how much voltage it really adds. Instead, if you want a controlled overclock with the Turbo interfering as little as possible, just set it to +0.004v and be done with it, and manage your overclock with the "normal" offset only.

And for a similar reason I advise against using LLC. Really, all it does is just raise your Vcore under load to battle the Vdroop intended by Intel. It has no real benefit, except that it will make you feel better because you now only need e.g. 0.020v offset instead of 0.080v for a stable overclock under load, when in reality your chip will run with the exact same voltage under both settings.
But hey, at least you can now brag with having "such a good chip that only requires an offset of 0.020v for that rock stable 4.5GHz overclock!", because you just have successfully fooled yourself. That's gotta be worth something, right? wink.gif

So I advise against LLC, especially since it can introduce potentially dangerous voltage spikes when going out of load (see this excellent article here).
It may help in some circumstances, but in my opinion it's just not worth it and if you enable it it simply adds one more variable to be aware of.


And lastly, posting any offset/turbo values without the actual Vcore under load is pretty pointless, as no one knows the VIDs for your CPU. This also makes references to other people's setting pointless, as no chip is the same, and what runs fine for your neighbour will most likely not work for you.
For example, I myself have an especially bad chip, which only does 4.4GHz, but already requires ~1.376v under load for that (with a whooping +0.135v offset). That's just the way it is, I've simply got the short stick in the CPU lottery.
Running with an offet of +0.020v wouldn't even let me enter the BIOS.
(At least my temps are fine now at ~74°C in LinX after I've delidded, though my Pro3 still throttles down occasionally due to VRM overheating, but that's an entirely different matter.)


For quickly testing the Vcore value, I either recommend Prime 27.9 with a custom setting of 864k (or 26.6 with 960k), or to fire up LinX directly, which will draw even more power than Prime and cause even more stress on your CPU.
It's also this value you're after, the Vcore under maximum load, after any potential Vdroop. This is the one that needs to be stable, and the one you should be comparing against.
Which brings me back to my previous posting, asking about if there already was such a standard precodure to define the Vcore values being posted here, but obviously there isn't.

Note that running Prime with only one FFT size will not replace a full custom run to test stability, but it is a quick test to see if your current Vcore setting points in the right direction.


Meh, that's become a wall of text again. Probably too few people will read it because of that.
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Meh, that's become a wall of text again. Probably too few people will read it because of that.

yeah, that usually tends to be the case
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A higher offset will never make an overclock unstable. If you're still seeing errors even with a higher setting, you're just not there yet, simple as that.
Unless of course you've hit the temperature or voltage limit, in which case increasing the Vcore further might not be the best idea...

So I advise against LLC, especially since it can introduce potentially dangerous voltage spikes when going out of load (see this excellent article here).
It may help in some circumstances, but in my opinion it's just not worth it and if you enable it it simply adds one more variable to be aware of.

I agree with this 100%. That anadtech article helped me with my QX9650 sooo much - I actually posted it here some time back. I think you need to clarify this point to OCN readers.... by "advise against LLC" I believe you mean allow vdroop to work unabated. Eg, set LLC at its lowest level (which on Asrock is the highest number O_o). LLC 3 is a good compromise.
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Hammer and vice isn't working for me. I've got the vice cranked down hard enough to leave indents, and the CPU still keeps popping out lol. I don't want to hit the damn thing any harder

go to the "hammer"thread. take a pict of the vise jaws and post it there. most teeth marks are not a problem. i'd like to see the condition of the vise.
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So I get a very interesting not listed BSOD: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_EQUAL

This BSOD only occurs when I go to 4.5GHz but 4.4GHz is perfectly fine

I run windows 8 and my specs are as follows:
i5 3570k (Running at 4.2Ghz stable with .004v and .005v as is standard in first part of the guide)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Asrock z77 extreme4
8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz
Gigabyte 7870 OC
1TB WD Green HDD
128GB Sandisk Ultra SSD
Corsair 600w PSU

Are there any possible solutions that exist or is there something that I am doing wrong?
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Ok might have spoke too soon.
Couple of hours into the test prime95 failed me. If I raise offset to 0.015v it fails faster.

this does not make sense. please format a usb key fat 32. post with it in. on each bios page hit F12 (scroll where needed) and post the screen shots here using the little paper clip above the edit box. something is not right as spoon said.
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So I get a very interesting not listed BSOD: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_EQUAL

This BSOD only occurs when I go to 4.5GHz but 4.4GHz is perfectly fine

I run windows 8 and my specs are as follows:
i5 3570k (Running at 4.2Ghz stable with .004v and .005v as is standard in first part of the guide)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Asrock z77 extreme4
8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz
Gigabyte 7870 OC
1TB WD Green HDD
128GB Sandisk Ultra SSD
Corsair 600w PSU

Are there any possible solutions that exist or is there something that I am doing wrong?
please post the actual bugcheck number... was this 00A or 0D1? first, the guys over at eightforums, or at sysnative.com" will show you how to post the minidump for analysis.
have you checked event viewer for whea errors?
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So I get a very interesting not listed BSOD: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_EQUAL

This BSOD only occurs when I go to 4.5GHz but 4.4GHz is perfectly fine

I run windows 8 and my specs are as follows:
i5 3570k (Running at 4.2Ghz stable with .004v and .005v as is standard in first part of the guide)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Asrock z77 extreme4
8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz
Gigabyte 7870 OC
1TB WD Green HDD
128GB Sandisk Ultra SSD
Corsair 600w PSU

Are there any possible solutions that exist or is there something that I am doing wrong?

I just sent off my "Corsair Vengeance 1600" on Tuesday, it was the cause of the BSOD's in my case. I am not saying that it will be the same for you, but our builds are almost identical, and memory modules were to blame. Run a nice long memtest
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I just sent off my "Corsair Vengeance 1600" on Tuesday, it was the cause of the BSOD's in my case. I am not saying that it will be the same for you, but our builds are almost identical, and memory modules were to blame. Run a nice long memtest

oh yeah - before beginning an OC (and getting all frustrated) do 12 hours with the new memtest! nothing more frustrating than hours spent when it is memory!
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go to the "hammer"thread. take a pict of the vise jaws and post it there. most teeth marks are not a problem. i'd like to see the condition of the vise.

changed the vice and changed the wood. popped off in 3 hits.

Temps arent what i expected, but still only have some AS Ceramique and Cooler Master **** that came with a heatsink. CLP and PK3 in the mail.
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