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post #5961 of 9531
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Originally Posted by DaRkL3AD3R View Post

Real Temp = multiplier seems flakier than HWinfo64

RealTemp is the only program of the bunch that follows the monitoring method recommended by Intel. It uses high performance timers within your CPU. These timers run at billions of cycles per second so software can precisely determine what multiplier a CPU is using.

CPU-Z might start with this method but then it modifies the Intel recommended method so it can provide users with consistent MHz numbers for validation purposes even when a CPU is lightly loaded. If a CPU is using any of the low power C States like C1E, C3 or C6, the multiplier can be rapidly changing thousands of times a second and CPU-Z has chosen to ignore this. Reporting either the highest Turbo multiplier or the 16 multiplier when lightly loaded and nothing in between does not tell you what your CPU is really doing internally.

If RealTemp shows your multiplier jumping all over the place it is because your multiplier IS jumping all over the place.

Every monitoring utility gets compared to CPU-Z so some of them have decided to try and report the same as CPU-Z does. It's a lot less hassle doing that than being criticized in forums for not being just like CPU-Z.

Intel includes high performance monitoring timers in their CPUs for a reason and these timers are available in all of their Core i and Core 2 CPUs. Intel also publicly documents how to go about using them. That's the method that RealTemp has been following since November 2008 when Intel released their Turbo White Paper.

If you want to see what some of the popular monitoring utilities don't tell you about your CPU then check out this post.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1310942/core-temp-or-realtemp-for-ivy-bridge#post_18294966

You may not realize this but CPU-Z changed its monitoring method recently.

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6682/cpuzoldnew.png

What version is correct? Does either version accurately tell you what your CPU multiplier is really doing?

The monitoring timers in the Intel CPUs are a shared resource. That means if one monitoring application decides to stop and start these timers randomly, that can interfere with other monitoring software getting accurate results from them. I can guarantee you that if you use RealTemp by itself, it will be able to tell you exactly what your CPU is really doing.

RealTemp T|I Edition
http://www.overclock.net/t/1330144/realtemp-t-i-edition
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ok ran 4.6 for 4 hours with no errors.. trying to get a stable 4.7 i go alright till i hit the 10 mins mark with an error. my settings atm is

core voltage in cpu-z: 1.136v
turbo: +.039v
offset: +.05v
cpu pll: 1.89v
temps at: 58 max
internal pll ovrvoltage: enabled

since i can get go steady for at least 10mins does it mean i have a chance to get it stable with a little more tweaking or ive hit my limit.?

EDIT: all other settings are set to what the OC guide says on page 1.

Increase your turbo and then run the test again
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RealTemp is the only program of the bunch that follows the monitoring method recommended by Intel. It uses high performance timers within your CPU. These timers run at billions of cycles per second so software can precisely determine what multiplier a CPU is using.

CPU-Z might start with this method but then it modifies the Intel recommended method so it can provide users with consistent MHz numbers for validation purposes even when a CPU is lightly loaded. If a CPU is using any of the low power C States like C1E, C3 or C6, the multiplier can be rapidly changing thousands of times a second and CPU-Z has chosen to ignore this. Reporting either the highest Turbo multiplier or the 16 multiplier when lightly loaded and nothing in between does not tell you what your CPU is really doing internally.

If RealTemp shows your multiplier jumping all over the place it is because your multiplier IS jumping all over the place.

Every monitoring utility gets compared to CPU-Z so some of them have decided to try and report the same as CPU-Z does. It's a lot less hassle doing that than being criticized in forums for not being just like CPU-Z.

Intel includes high performance monitoring timers in their CPUs for a reason and these timers are available in all of their Core i and Core 2 CPUs. Intel also publicly documents how to go about using them. That's the method that RealTemp has been following since November 2008 when Intel released their Turbo White Paper.

If you want to see what some of the popular monitoring utilities don't tell you about your CPU then check out this post.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1310942/core-temp-or-realtemp-for-ivy-bridge#post_18294966

You may not realize this but CPU-Z changed its monitoring method recently.

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6682/cpuzoldnew.png

What version is correct? Does either version accurately tell you what your CPU multiplier is really doing?

The monitoring timers in the Intel CPUs are a shared resource. That means if one monitoring application decides to stop and start these timers randomly, that can interfere with other monitoring software getting accurate results from them. I can guarantee you that if you use RealTemp by itself, it will be able to tell you exactly what your CPU is really doing.

RealTemp T|I Edition
http://www.overclock.net/t/1330144/realtemp-t-i-edition

excellent summary! +1
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excellent summary! +1

Agreed, probably going to dump everything in favor of real temp now...
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Real Temp is great, and the TI version is my favorite.
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Agreed, probably going to dump everything in favor of real temp now...

open Hardware monitor works very well too. I just compared the two. Identical values for temps and clocks. OHM also will show all clocks between 1600 and 4900 (stepping). as we have said before, you shouldn't run two programs pointing at the same sensors. I use OHM specifically because I can port the data to a control-monitor software package I use.
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open Hardware monitor works very well too. I just compared the two. Identical values for temps and clocks. OHM also will show all clocks between 1600 and 4900 (stepping). as we have said before, you shouldn't run two programs pointing at the same sensors. I use OHM specifically because I can port the data to a control-monitor software package I use.
my ohm isn't showing me vcore for some reason... Does yours?
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goddamn it, what did I do now...
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I hate to say it, but after my faulty electrical situation frying components, I think I am jumping ship for a Gigabyte and putting my ASRock to rest. It was a good board while it lasted (other than the voltage misreading), but without pci slots, it is pretty much useless as a gaming board. probably going to rebuild in a node and go for a mini. bad timing too, $1000.00 worth of components dead just a few weeks before I take the family to Puerto Rico for the summer, so not allot of extra funds lying around for a rebuild!
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EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
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Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
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Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
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6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
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WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
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king win 600w custom built 
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