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post #6121 of 9531
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He has one of the best Micro ATX boards.
!

That's good.

So with 4 sticks, you may need to add 5-10 mV to the xmp dram volts, or if you can, check it with a dmm to be sure they are getting enough V. Those sticks are not on the MSL for that board, but that doesn't mean much.
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I haven't superpi yet. I've been using prime95 per the guide. Which after about 15 minute temps go to around 100C. This is at 5.0mhz and 1.432v. You have to also take into consideration i run dual rads with gentle typhoons not to mention ambiet temps are around 17C I have still yet to delid or lap. I am also using coollaboratory pro right now after switch ill probably switch to indigo xtreme pad, so that might help a little too.

That is impressive! No need to sPi it. 15 min p95 stock tim between the die and ihs at 50x with 1.4V... You may have found the magic chip! Pop the top and put the whip to it!
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

He has one of the best Micro ATX boards.
Sorry I didn't read any of your posts, but...

1. If you have the latest BIOS (v1.50): ftp://174.142.97.10/bios/1155/Z77%20Extreme4-M(1.50)WIN.zip

2. You have all the settings set according to RAM maker. (11-14-14-35-2 ~ 2800MHz @ 1.65v)

And they won't work...

RMA time sucker! You got some bad sticks!

Yes I am running BIOS 1.50. When I attempt 2800mhz I load the XMP which doesn't boot. I then put everything to auto and changed the speed. The highest I was able to go this way is 2200mhz. How can I be certain its the RAM and not another component such as the IMC?
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Yes I am running BIOS 1.50. When I attempt 2800mhz I load the XMP which doesn't boot. I then put everything to auto and changed the speed. The highest I was able to go this way is 2200mhz. How can I be certain its the RAM and not another component such as the IMC?

If you load the 2800 xmp, can you get back into bios?
Edited by Jpmboy - 5/2/13 at 10:50am
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If you load the 2800 xmp, can you get back into bios?

Yea, I am definitely satisfied with this chip. Sadly it was my second, you helped me out with the last one which ran 4.6mhz but required ~1.464v. Ill still probably throw it in another project. I am for sure going to lap it but I'm unsure if I'm going to delid. I did it to the first chip but then again I am not 100% that it wasn't an error during the process that made the chip require that much juice to run 4.6mhz.

No the XMP will not boot to BIOS. It turns on but doesn't make it to BIOs. That goes for anything above 2200mhz. Haven't tried upping the BCLK to see if I can get somewhere between 2200 and 2400.
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Originally Posted by UPGR4Y3DD View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

He has one of the best Micro ATX boards.
Sorry I didn't read any of your posts, but...

1. If you have the latest BIOS (v1.50): ftp://174.142.97.10/bios/1155/Z77%20Extreme4-M(1.50)WIN.zip

2. You have all the settings set according to RAM maker. (11-14-14-35-2 ~ 2800MHz @ 1.65v)

And they won't work...

RMA time sucker! You got some bad sticks!

Yes I am running BIOS 1.50. When I attempt 2800mhz I load the XMP which doesn't boot. I then put everything to auto and changed the speed. The highest I was able to go this way is 2200mhz. How can I be certain its the RAM and not another component such as the IMC?

Your board:
Supports DDR3 2800+(OC)/2400(OC)/2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600/1333/1066 non-ECC, un-buffered memory.

Therefore the default position is bad RAM.
Besides the point that RAM is easier to RMA.

Corsair offers an advance replacement. ASRock does not.

If the new RAM fails again, then RMA the motherboard or sell it and get a more expensive ATX board like Extreme6+.
Quote:
Point being; The 2800+(OC) is a marketing gimmick, there is no chance whats all ever, if you buy DDR3-2800 ram (which are on the market) and a regular CPU, that it will do the speeds on the motherboard.

Edited by kennyparker1337 - 5/2/13 at 11:24am
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Your board:
Supports DDR3 2800+(OC)/2400(OC)/2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600/1333/1066 non-ECC, un-buffered memory.

Therefore the default position is bad RAM.
Besides the point that RAM is easier to RMA.

Corsair offers an advance replacement. ASRock does not.

If the new RAM fails again, then RMA the motherboard or sell it and get a more expensive ATX board like Extreme6+.

Well this is why I ask. This is my second extreme4-m. The other on which was RMAed had the same issue and ran the RAM at about the same speed. So I am am not sure if its RAM or poossible the mobo or even the chip.
The review that was linked earlier said that they achieved 2800mhz but they had to go through a couple of chips to do so.
I do also have a maximums v gene on hand since I would like to keep the matx form. I'd rather not use it though unless I know I will get a performance increase.
Edited by UPGR4Y3DD - 5/2/13 at 11:49am
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Yea, I am definitely satisfied with this chip. Sadly it was my second, you helped me out with the last one which ran 4.6mhz but required ~1.464v. Ill still probably throw it in another project. I am for sure going to lap it but I'm unsure if I'm going to delid. I did it to the first chip but then again I am not 100% that it wasn't an error during the process that made the chip require that much juice to run 4.6mhz.

No the XMP will not boot to BIOS. It turns on but doesn't make it to BIOs. That goes for anything above 2200mhz. Haven't tried upping the BCLK to see if I can get somewhere between 2200 and 2400.

Before messing with bclk, post with 2200, change the bios dramV to 5-10mV higher than the 2800 Xmp spec. Repost, select the 2800 xmp, but manually enter the volts. Might work...
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Before messing with bclk, post with 2200, change the bios dramV to 5-10mV higher than the 2800 Xmp spec. Repost, select the 2800 xmp, but manually enter the volts. Might work...

Ill give that and try running just two sticks a go. Not at home at the moment but ill do it when I get home.

So is there any tweaks that I could also try to get the CPU to run at slightly lower vcore?
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Ill give that and try running just two sticks a go. Not at home at the moment but ill do it when I get home.

So is there any tweaks that I could also try to get the CPU to run at slightly lower vcore?

Cool, let us know what happens with the ram.

As for lower vcore... This is the thing with 22nm, temps are very critical because with higher temps, more electrons get "off the reservation" so, we add more vcore... Which makes more heat and so on. Unless you fix intels mistake (poor TIM under the IHS) or use a chiller, you will get caught in this unproductive loop. Sin082 made a great attempt measuring a surrogate of this effect (power per clock per temp).

Did you delid the other 3770k you have?

You may shave off a few degrees with bios tweeks (like v low cpu PLL), but controling a 3770k at 50x and 1.4+ volts, will take more than a good block mount and waterloop.
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