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Auto = possibly too much voltage, but I don't think its hugely dangerous.
Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.

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OTHER THEN DELIDING tongue.gif



Any what bios settings can help lower temps? Or am I just out of luck with my 212 evo until I get a H100/110?



I cringe when I see temps hovering around the 90's - 98's in prime thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif. CPU PLL is already at 1.709V and Im still trying to find the sweet spot where I dont get a WHEA 4 hours in @ 4.7 w/ offset -.005v and turbo at the .1xx amount at max Vcore being 1.312v

VTT. Maybe. Possibly not.
You could also try to improve your cable management within your case to improve the air flow. If it's currently bad, this could gain you a few degrees. Nothing compared to a delid though (there, I said it!).
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Auto = possibly too much voltage, but I don't think its hugely dangerous.
Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.


Well said. Mind if I bug you for some clarification? I just assumed it was an arbitrary number set by the motherboards manufacture as AUTO=VID+X, kind of like I assume the auto-OC function works. So you are suggesting that it is just AUTO=Highest VID for set multiplier with no board manufacturers extra input?
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Auto = possibly too much voltage, but I don't think its hugely dangerous.
Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.


Well said. Mind if I bug you for some clarification? I just assumed it was an arbitrary number set by the motherboards manufacture as AUTO=VID+X, kind of like I assume the auto-OC function works. So you are suggesting that it is just AUTO=Highest VID for set multiplier with no board manufacturers extra input?

No the VID is determined by Intel and only them.

The highest possible VID is 1.52v for Sandy / Ivy architecture.
The lowest is 0.00v but the 2nd entry is 0.25v.

Each multiplier for the CPU is assigned a VID, and these VID values are stored in the CPU.

For any multiplier equal or less than the stock multiplier, the VID is the lowest voltage that is required to be stable (by Intel standards).

For any multiplier more than the stock, the VID is highest number designated by Intel for that multiplier.
These VIDs are not guaranteed to be stable, nor efficient. They are safe, though.

When the voltage mode is in Offset...
  • Vcore Auto: Only the VID, for every multiplier, will be used.
  • Vcore +/-: The selected voltage offset will added to the VID, for every multiplier, and be used.
  • Turbo Auto: Nothing will be changed from Vcore.
  • Turbo +/-: The selected turbo offset will be added to the Vcore, for only the multiplier selected in BIOS.

When the voltage mode is in Fixed, the voltage designated by the user will be used.
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 5/5/13 at 5:30pm
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The "USB 3.0 Legacy" option controls whether the blue USB 3.0 ports will support USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 devices also.

thanks - I've had it enabled by default on both 1155 boards and never bothered to see (or search) what it's good for.
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Auto = possibly too much voltage, but I don't think its hugely dangerous.
Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.


Well said. Mind if I bug you for some clarification? I just assumed it was an arbitrary number set by the motherboards manufacture as AUTO=VID+X, kind of like I assume the auto-OC function works. So you are suggesting that it is just AUTO=Highest VID for set multiplier with no board manufacturers extra input?

No the VID is determined by Intel and only them.

I understand the VID is set by Intel, that part was not in question. The question is how does auto turbo get calculated. I had understood it to be the board manufacturers algorithm added to the VID, but that was just an idea that I apparently pulled out of my butt. Spoon was explaining that it is in fact, whatever voltage is necessary to get it to the VID for that multiplier.
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Auto = possibly too much voltage, but I don't think its hugely dangerous.
Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.


Well said. Mind if I bug you for some clarification? I just assumed it was an arbitrary number set by the motherboards manufacture as AUTO=VID+X, kind of like I assume the auto-OC function works. So you are suggesting that it is just AUTO=Highest VID for set multiplier with no board manufacturers extra input?

No the VID is determined by Intel and only them.

I understand the VID is set by Intel, that part was not in question. The question is how does auto turbo get calculated. I had understood it to be the board manufacturers algorithm added to the VID, but that was just an idea that I apparently pulled out of my butt. Spoon was explaining that it is in fact, whatever voltage is necessary to get it to the VID for that multiplier.

You gotta give me time to edit! ph34r2.gif
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Well explained, just one correction, the VID is not different for every batch, but for every chip, even within the same batch (different position on the waver, etc).
Also the VID is not stored on the motherboard, but on the CPU itself, or else it couldn't be chip (or even just batch) specific.

(Ok, the various VID values themselves might be saved on the motherboard directly, but the CPU still gives the signal to the board which one of those should be used.)
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Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.
VTT. Maybe. Possibly not.
You could also try to improve your cable management within your case to improve the air flow. If it's currently bad, this could gain you a few degrees. Nothing compared to a delid though (there, I said it!).


Im getting closer and closer to deliding. jealoussmiley.gif .... if I ever want to go up to 5ghz.
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Im getting closer and closer to deliding. jealoussmiley.gif .... if I ever want to go up to 5ghz.

Pop that top dude! Do plenty of research and take your time. I've done it twice with a razor but ill probably use the hammer method if I do it again in the future. Check it out.
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