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post #6241 of 9565
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Or not enough to be stable. It will never apply too much voltage to become dangerous for the chip, as when running frequencies above what is specified by Intel, the auto setting simply applies the highest VID table entry it can find in the chip. And those values are tested and guaranteed to be save, but not necessarily stable for those higher frequencies, but also not necessarily required for those either. It goes both ways.
VTT. Maybe. Possibly not.
You could also try to improve your cable management within your case to improve the air flow. If it's currently bad, this could gain you a few degrees. Nothing compared to a delid though (there, I said it!).


Im getting closer and closer to deliding. jealoussmiley.gif .... if I ever want to go up to 5ghz.

I would delid it.

If I ever was going to by Ivy, i would be buying it knowing I would delid it.
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Im getting closer and closer to deliding. jealoussmiley.gif .... if I ever want to go up to 5ghz.

Yea, I've been getting closer and closer to deliding my 3570k. The temps are just too inticing... Plus I want that 5ghz overclock.
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Yea, I've been getting closer and closer to deliding my 3570k. The temps are just too inticing... Plus I want that 5ghz overclock.


dat 5ghz......


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Need a little input from you guys. Currently, I'm running a 2700K on my Extreme4 Z77 board. After reading (and then testing myself) about the issue of software voltage reading low I have been tempted to find a new board. Low and behold, I found a Sabertooth Z77 for $80 and all that was wrong were a few bent pins. The only thing that appeared to be opened was the board itself, everything else was still sealed in their bags.

I have yet to test the Sabertooth board but am fairly confident it will work fine. Does it seem like a no brainer to switch to the Asus board? Or would I be just as well off with my Extreme4? Thanks for any feedback guys.
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Need a little input from you guys. Currently, I'm running a 2700K on my Extreme4 Z77 board. After reading (and then testing myself) about the issue of software voltage reading low I have been tempted to find a new board. Low and behold, I found a Sabertooth Z77 for $80 and all that was wrong were a few bent pins. The only thing that appeared to be opened was the board itself, everything else was still sealed in their bags.

I have yet to test the Sabertooth board but am fairly confident it will work fine. Does it seem like a no brainer to switch to the Asus board? Or would I be just as well off with my Extreme4? Thanks for any feedback guys.

The ASRock board is otherwise a fine board. The voltage issue can be dealt with by a DMM. I would not suggest it as a new purchase, but I don't think its worth the money to completely replace it. But for $80.00, it sounds like you have made a good purchase and can probably recoup the cost by selling off the ext4. Good luck with the pins!
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Need a little input from you guys. Currently, I'm running a 2700K on my Extreme4 Z77 board. After reading (and then testing myself) about the issue of software voltage reading low I have been tempted to find a new board. Low and behold, I found a Sabertooth Z77 for $80 and all that was wrong were a few bent pins. The only thing that appeared to be opened was the board itself, everything else was still sealed in their bags.

I have yet to test the Sabertooth board but am fairly confident it will work fine. Does it seem like a no brainer to switch to the Asus board? Or would I be just as well off with my Extreme4? Thanks for any feedback guys.

The ASRock board is otherwise a fine board. The voltage issue can be dealt with by a DMM. I would not suggest it as a new purchase, but I don't think its worth the money to completely replace it. But for $80.00, it sounds like you have made a good purchase and can probably recoup the cost by selling off the ext4. Good luck with the pins!

You don't even need a DMM. As long as you use only Level 3, it will be like any other board for voltage output.

The Sabertooth is a great find as long as the pins are only bent and not broken off.
Use an empty mechanical pencil to straighten the pins back out.

If you already bought the Saber then go with that. Otherwise stick with the Extreme4 and use LLC L3.

post #6247 of 9565
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You don't even need a DMM. As long as you use only Level 3, it will be like any other board for voltage output.

Kenny, I don't believe that is solid advice. Surely I am not the one breaking this news to you? The extreme4 and extreme6 both have an issue where the voltage is reported way lower that it actually is, and not just a little bit either. The error scales larger with voltage and LLC, but every LLC does it. This was shown to be true by Sin0822, and also tested true on my board with a DMM, as well as a few other people on the forums here with these boards and a DMM.
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Yeah, the pins are pretty well straightened now. I think I'll look at them with fresh eyes later on. I decided to take a chance on it and think I may have gotten a steal. Definitely no missing pins. I'll probably switch my E4 out later this week and see how it goes.

I checked my my voltage a while back and found it reading nearly .1V over the software! Since then I've been trying to find a good OC below or at 1.3V in CPU-Z. I just haven't been real satisfied since finding out about the voltage issue. We'll see how well my 2700K clocks on the sabertooth.

I will say that this hasn't soured my experience with Asrock. Their UEFI is very clean and thorough. I have a Z77E-ITX and am having good luck with it. However I don't plan on OCing too much on that board as I'm limited to 450W with a 7950 and 3570K. I saw some of the leaked shots of their Z87 boards and like the styling of the extreme series. Let's hope this voltage thing is merely a hiccup. Everyone loves rooting for the underdog!

Oh, I just wanted to add one more thing. Not sure how much it's been mentioned, but I had difficulty reaching any sort of stable overclocks with 4x4GB of RAM installed regardless of voltage and speed. Found that setting the VTT up a notch or two made all the difference. Don't know if it was my specific setup or the way SB/IB memory controllers work, but it helped immensely in my case.
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Yeah, the pins are pretty well straightened now. I think I'll look at them with fresh eyes later on. I decided to take a chance on it and think I may have gotten a steal. Definitely no missing pins. I'll probably switch my E4 out later this week and see how it goes.

I checked my my voltage a while back and found it reading nearly .1V over the software! Since then I've been trying to find a good OC below or at 1.3V in CPU-Z. I just haven't been real satisfied since finding out about the voltage issue. We'll see how well my 2700K clocks on the sabertooth.

I will say that this hasn't soured my experience with Asrock. Their UEFI is very clean and thorough. I have a Z77E-ITX and am having good luck with it. However I don't plan on OCing too much on that board as I'm limited to 450W with a 7950 and 3570K. I saw some of the leaked shots of their Z87 boards and like the styling of the extreme series. Let's hope this voltage thing is merely a hiccup. Everyone loves rooting for the underdog!

Oh, I just wanted to add one more thing. Not sure how much it's been mentioned, but I had difficulty reaching any sort of stable overclocks with 4x4GB of RAM installed regardless of voltage and speed. Found that setting the VTT up a notch or two made all the difference. Don't know if it was my specific setup or the way SB/IB memory controllers work, but it helped immensely in my case.

I actually agree with your sentiment. I paid $80 or 90 for mine on combo deal from microcenter. As long as you have a DMM handy the board performs like much of the more expensive competition. I will probably shop around a little more for my next board, but I certainly will not be ruling ASRock out. They seem to offer a great bang/buck ratio.
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You don't even need a DMM. As long as you use only Level 3, it will be like any other board for voltage output.

Kenny, I don't believe that is solid advice. Surely I am not the one breaking this news to you? The extreme4 and extreme6 both have an issue where the voltage is reported way lower that it actually is, and not just a little bit either. The error scales larger with voltage and LLC, but every LLC does it. This was shown to be true by Sin0822, and also tested true on my board with a DMM, as well as a few other people on the forums here with these boards and a DMM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oB0dm2-nfpc

Sorry for the confusion. Here is my reasoning.

I'm talking about the Extreme4 and LLC 3 settings...
Also, 1.000v = 1000mv.


Sin set the BIOS to 1.300v and tested each LLC setting for the Extreme4 and 6.
On the E4 with LLC 3, the difference between what was set in the BIOS and what the DMM read was +4mv for Idle and -4mv for Load.
4mv or 0.004v amounts to almost no difference.
That means if you use LLC 3, whatever you set in the BIOS should be what is actually given to the CPU.

Now CPUz will report these voltages lower than what they are, but you should go according to BIOS settings and not CPUz read out.
If you want to tell what the real voltage is for CPUz then subtract 50mv from the Load reading and 25mv from the Idle reading.

Granted each board might be a tiny, tiny bit different on the voltage but each board is fitted with the same hardware and should act the same.
Now on the Extreme6 you notice the same behavior on the LLC 2 and LLC 3 settings which is why I recommend those.

LLC 1 over volts it, sometimes by a lot, and LLC 4, 5 under volts it (according to what you set in BIOS).

Note: The CPUz issues only occur with the Z77 Extreme4 and Z77 Extreme6. All other boards have different hardware and are not affected (according to Sin0882 and hardware specs listed by ASRock).

Another Note: This issues are caused the motherboard hardware and so a software fix is not possible. Another words, don't try a new version of CPUz or another program.


edit: I'm going to be adding in a warning section about CPUz software voltage reading on the Z77 E4 and E6.


Edited by kennyparker1337 - 5/6/13 at 8:26pm
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