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people might disagree but
look at your CPU as your computers ENGINE.
imagine it being a car.
Sure your car can run at 140mph for a while and it will be cool with the radiator cooling it, but it decreases the lifespan of the engine, wears out some of the other components, and in the end decreases the cars lifespans.

you can game at 1.5v for long periods of times sure, no chips are the same, theres no guarantee your chip will last longer than one at 1.4v or 1.3v or 1.6v, also no ones ever took 100+ chips and done a dedicated test on how many chips running 24/7 1.5v+ fail at X days (imagine how much that would cost!)

safer to stay at lower voltages unless you have money and can afford a brand new chip if yours burns out 3months or 3years down the road.

that is every true. that is how i look at it aswell.

I ran my 3570k @ 4.4ghz 24/7 setup just fine, but i decided to go for a 3770k (microcenter near by) and now i am having lots of trouble getting any stable overclock more than 4.1ghz.

I am testing my 3770k right now at 4.2ghz +0.005 CPU voltage and +004 turbo voltage. LLC set to 5 because anything different than that it will go unstable. and yet seems like it passes prime but fails at AIDA64. within 10 min. i am very confused what would be the issue. i was able to run the CPU at 4.5ghz at 1.245 fixed vcore while running prime/aida or around that type of voltage but it wasnt stable for a 12 hour run.

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that is every true. that is how i look at it aswell.

I ran my 3570k @ 4.4ghz 24/7 setup just fine, but i decided to go for a 3770k (microcenter near by) and now i am having lots of trouble getting any stable overclock more than 4.1ghz.

I am testing my 3770k right now at 4.2ghz +0.005 CPU voltage and +004 turbo voltage. LLC set to 5 because anything different than that it will go unstable. and yet seems like it passes prime but fails at AIDA64. within 10 min. i am very confused what would be the issue. i was able to run the CPU at 4.5ghz at 1.245 fixed vcore while running prime/aida or around that type of voltage but it wasnt stable for a 12 hour run.

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Ok, I've hit 5ghz with my i5 2500k, everything's super fast. Actually, I couldn't pass stress test without going higher than 1.52v, so it's not officially stable. But vcore doesn't get higher than 1.48v while gaming and everything's stable. And temps are 62 max (not while stressing, but while gaming cpu intense mmo games).

I also found the i5 2500k datasheet with specified voltages, if anyone is interested: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/2nd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
At page 71 they state
Quote:
Design the board to ensure that the voltage provided to the processor remains within
the specifications listed in Table 7-5. Failure to do so can result in timing violations or
reduced lifetime of the processor
And you can find the Table 7-5 at page 75 with max vcore of 1.52v.
So, I guess it's officially stated, that cpu lifetime shouldn't reduce below 1.52v. But I guess I'll have to get back to 4.6 @ 1.36v (4.7 becomes stable only @ 1.42, PLL Voltage doesn't seem to influence much) since I've read here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/automatic-overclock-motherboard-cpu,3048.html the following:
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We've learned through trial, error, and dead processors that voltage levels beyond 1.45 V at above-ambient temperatures can kill an Intel CPU etched at 32 nm (Sandy Bridge-based parts included) very quickly. Those same processors die a fairly slow death at voltage levels between 1.40 V and 1.45 V (somewhere between weeks and months on our test benches). And we're expecting more than a year of reliable service from the parts we've dutifully kept below 1.40 V

On the other hand, I've read quite a few times, that some people run 5ghz @ 1.5v fixed for a year and everything's ok. I doubt cpu would die in a few weeks or a year. It might degrade, but what's a degradation? I'll have to lower my clocks to, say, 4.6 @ 1.36-1.4? Sounds fine to me.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
Edited by zn1ko - 7/8/13 at 11:48am
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Ok, I've hit 5ghz with my i5 2500k, everything's super fast. Actually, I couldn't pass stress test without going higher than 1.52v, so it's not officially stable. But vcore doesn't get higher than 1.48v while gaming and everything's stable. And temps are 62 max (not while stressing, but while gaming cpu intense mmo games).

I also found the i5 2500k datasheet with specified voltages, if anyone is interested: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/2nd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
At page 71 they state
And you can find the Table 7-5 at page 75 with max vcore of 1.52v.
So, I guess it's officially stated, that cpu lifetime shouldn't reduce below 1.52v. But I guess I'll have to get back to 4.6 @ 1.36v (4.7 becomes stable only @ 1.42, PLL Voltage doesn't seem to influence much) since I've read here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/automatic-overclock-motherboard-cpu,3048.html the following:
On the other hand, I've read quite a few times, that some people run 5ghz @ 1.5v fixed for a year and everything's ok. I doubt cpu would die in a few weeks or a year. It might degrade, but what's a degradation? I'll have to lower my clocks to, say, 4.6 @ 1.36-1.4? Sounds fine to me.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

The intel specsheet is pretty straight forward...and you can expect an increase in the degradation rate at any setting above stock. You are running that chip at like 90% of the engineering limitation... Think about it. Sure i know people who have run chips at that spec% and higher for very long times (including my qx9650) but i also know of ones that died very quickly. Most times, the degraded chip just has more leakage and requires higher vcore = more heat.

My advice? Do you really notice a difference between 4,7 and 5.0 while gaming? if yes (really?) and If you want to run that high, spend $25 and buy the intel performance tuners plan. They will replace a dead overclocked chip no problem.
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Hey all, just looking for some advice from my fellow AsRock brethren.

I followed the guide about a month ago and got 4.5 GHz with a 3770k on the Extreme4 (212 EVO). I had made one change only due to game stability, ending up with Auto LLC. Prepping to go to an Extreme6 so I just looked at my numbers again and I got 1.296-1.312V in CPUZ with +.005 offset and +.004 turbo voltage. Looked online and the amount of people saying anything above 1.250 is horrible got me scared so I've been playing around with the offset. Right now, I am running Prime95 with 4.3 GHz with -.100 offset, +.004 turbo, LLC at 2, is this bad if it turns out to be stable? CPUZ is reporting 1.160-1.168V, temps are averaging 69C. Also, how worried should I be that these Volts in CPUZ are wrong, according to that video by Sin0822?

Really hope you guys won't mind sharing your expertise here, 600 plus pages is a little too much for me to go through. Thanks!

EDIT: I worked really hard to save up for my rig and I need my cpu and mobo to last into skymont era, so I'm worried about the voltages and degradation.
Edited by VeerK - 7/8/13 at 11:54pm
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EDIT: I worked really hard to save up for my rig and I need my cpu and mobo to last into skymont era, so I'm worried about the voltages and degradation.

Skymont is coming when? 3, maybe 4 if there are delays, years from now? These chips are really tough as long as you don't push them too hard. 1.3ish volts should be fine and the chip will probably still last for several more years after Skymont is here(Even if you have to up the volts slightly every now and then to compensate for degradation.).
Edited by TwistedTime - 7/9/13 at 6:42pm
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Do you really notice a difference between 4,7 and 5.0 while gaming? if yes (really?) and If you want to run that high, spend $25 and buy the intel performance tuners plan.
The game I mostly play has a build-in fpsmeter, which shows if fps are bottlenecked by gpu or cpu. With my old processor I was cpu bottlenecked 90% of time, with 2500k @ 4.6ghz I am not bottlenecked by cpu 90% of time, and at 5ghz I don't get bottlenecked by cpu at all.

Is passing stress tests mandatory? Is it ok, if I just don't bsod while gaming? I would maybe increase voltage to 1.4, set cpu to 4.7ghz ( thou i only pass prime @ 1.42v, but the game is not optimized for quadcores, so it doesn't load cpu to 100% like prime, so it should be stable) and maybe increase bclk to 103 or 105 to get a little bit more juice from cpu without crossing 1.4v line. Increasing bckl by 3 or 5 steps doesn't considered to be extreme and shouldn't damage anything, right?

I would buy the plan, I am just not sure if it is available in my country. Have to have a look, thanks for the advice.
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Hello everyone

As usual, I have a slight issue with my build. Whilst using an application, such as Photoshop, or playing a game I hear a continuous buzzing sound coming from my machine.

I believe, after searching other forums that this may be related to power options or feedback. Does anyone else experience this on the z77e-itx.

Many thanks.
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What Fixed Voltage do you recommend for having an i7 3770k on an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 stable at 4.4 GHz? I'm a bit reluctant to disable the C states. I do believe it was the reason my previous SSD died after only three days of OC'ing.
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What Fixed Voltage do you recommend for having an i7 3770k on an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 stable at 4.4 GHz? I'm a bit reluctant to disable the C states. I do believe it was the reason my previous SSD died after only three days of OC'ing.

You should overclock using Offset and turbo. There is no reason to overclock using fixed mode with these CPU's.
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