Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › Complete Overclocking Guide: Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge | *ASRock Edition*
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Complete Overclocking Guide: Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge | *ASRock Edition* - Page 701

Poll Results: Was this guide helpful?

Poll expired: Oct 17, 2012  
  • 80% (237)
    Yes (and I DO have an ASRock motherboard).
  • 15% (45)
    Yes (but I DO NOT have an ASRock motherboard).
  • 2% (7)
    No (and I DO have an ASRock motherboard).
  • 2% (7)
    No (but I DO NOT have an ASRock motherboard).
296 Total Votes  
post #7001 of 9531
Quote:
Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

Have you tried different iterations of the BIOS? Revert back to the last known working configuration? Did you clear CMOS after the flash? Why were you updating the BIOS? It is generally best to not flash unless you have a specific problem that is being fixed in the update...in other words, if it aint broke, don't fix it.

Sorry for all questions and no answers, I have the exact board, but have never had this exact issue.

I tried to flash way down to 1.40, didn't solve.

Yes I cleared the CMOS after flash.

Actually I bought this motherboard already with version 1.80, I used the Internet Flash option "just to see if it works". After that, my overclock settings disappeared!!!

edit: actually, I remember why I updated the BIOS, for some strange reason the MB wasn't detecting a 32" monitor, so I went back to my old 23", updated the BIOS, cleared CMOS and fixed the problem, BUT my overclock settings were gone.

Man I'm heartbroken, I don't understand why this is happening, it makes no sense, even re-flashing the BIOS the options aren't there anymore.


Found this post talking about the same problem: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition/5730#post_19739394
Edited by Gacrux - 9/5/13 at 9:00pm
post #7002 of 9531
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raidrr View Post

Hello,
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
first of all let my thank you for the great guide, really helped me a lot cause im an oc newbie.
i have some questions though. hope i didnt miss it.

Why shouldnt I change PCH Voltage and VCCSA to the standard voltage that the bios displays? i mean, isnt it saver to set the default voltage other than to have it on auto?

Other guides recommend setting CPU Load-Line Calibration to Level 5 (disabled), because maybe it can harm the cpu. can i set it to level 5 and if the cpu gets unstable i set it to a lower level like 2 or 3?

At last i have a problem with my Core Voltage when overclocking. I set Offset Voltage to +0.005v and turbo voltage to +0.004v. if i set the multi to 38, my Core Voltage is already at 1.32V and the Vid at 1.37V. Vcore at 1.38V is my max as recommended here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=18190523#post18190523, temps are also already at my max, which is 70°C.
when i set the multi at 39 the core voltage is rising also, and i dont want it to exceed 1.38V. so how can i get a lower core voltage while using the offset method. sure i could set a fixed voltage but i dont want that and in the guide it is not recommended to set a negative offset (but this would do the job and lower the core voltage).

I've uploaded a picture,it was taken while running the prime test and u can see the the vid is really close to the 1.38V and Core Voltage is also already at 1.32V.
I hope you guys can help me because i really want to get to at least 4.2 GhZ and i think with my fan cooling it could be possible

regards

raidrr

PCH is for your South Bridge I believe, let the motherboard handle it unless you want to overvolt your harddrive and USB mouse. VCCSA is the system agent and can comfortably left to the mobo as well until you are looking at going crazy overclocking. LLC is designed to compensate for voltage variations/spikes, completely defeating it is really only necessary when you trying to go for a massive overclock and the Voltage droop becomes a stability issue. If you are shooting for 4.2 then LLC 3 is suggested as a middle of the road compromise between keeping the droop to a minimum but still having some spike protection. Negative offset has been beneficial to me when going after a lower overclock. It gets frowned upon because it affects all multipliers, and can cause stability issues when at lower multipliers (idling/close to idle). 1.32 is high for a default voltage, could be a stinker of a chip, but I think you are a likely candidate for using a negative offset to attain 4.2. I cant recall a chip in this thread that could not attain 4.5 under 1.4, certainly have not seen a chip that would not do 4.2.

I hope any of that helps
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7003 of 9531
Yeah that helps a lot, thank you.
So im gonna use a negative offset until my pc becomes unstable in idle and the i need to go higher again, right? how do i test for stability in idle, just browsing and doing nothing?

Edit: I am running at 4 GhZ with offset -0.055V. In CPUZ it says i have a Core Voltage of 1.272V wich would be fine, but CoreTemp says i have a VID of 1.37V which is very high. why is there a difference between core volate and vid of 0.1 when in idle there usually a difference of 0.05 to 0.06. how can i get a lower vid? do i need to use an even lower offset?

regards

raidrr
Edited by Raidrr - 9/6/13 at 3:58am
post #7004 of 9531
Dont worry about the VID just pay attention to the voltage displayed in CPU-z.

Your voltage is too high for 4ghz, so you will need to run a higher negative offset to bring the voltage down more or you will need to increase the multiplier.
Z170 Build
(20 items)
 
Z68 Build
(20 items)
 
Lenovo T430
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 6700K @ 4.5ghz  Gigabyte Z170x Gaming 6 XFX R9 290x 8GB XFX R9 290x 8GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Gskill RipJaws V 16GB 3000mhz Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 2TB EK-Supremacy EVO CPU Water Block 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK R9 290X GPU Waterblocks EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump Alphacool NexXxoS 360mm ST30 Alphacool NexXxoS 240mm ST30 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS 120mm ST30 Cooler Master Jetflo 120mm Fans Windows 10  LG 34UC88 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Quickfire TK red switch Cooler Master V1000 MasterCase Pro 5 CM Storm Havoc 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I5 2500K @ 4.6ghz  ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Gskill RipJaws X 16GB 1600mhz Seagate 2TB Seagate 320GB ASUS Burner 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master Eisberg 240L + 120mm Rad Koolance 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings PrimoChill Advanced LRT Windows 7  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Ubuntu 12.04 ASUS 24" Cooler Master Quickfire TK  Cooler Master V1000 
CaseMouse
Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition Cooler Master Havoc 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5-3210M  Intel HD Graphics 4000 Gskill 16GB 1600mhz  Crucial MX200 256GB 
Hard DriveOSOSMonitor
Seagate 320GB Ubuntu 16.04 Windows 10 1600x900 
  hide details  
Reply
Z170 Build
(20 items)
 
Z68 Build
(20 items)
 
Lenovo T430
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 6700K @ 4.5ghz  Gigabyte Z170x Gaming 6 XFX R9 290x 8GB XFX R9 290x 8GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Gskill RipJaws V 16GB 3000mhz Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 2TB EK-Supremacy EVO CPU Water Block 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK R9 290X GPU Waterblocks EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump Alphacool NexXxoS 360mm ST30 Alphacool NexXxoS 240mm ST30 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS 120mm ST30 Cooler Master Jetflo 120mm Fans Windows 10  LG 34UC88 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Quickfire TK red switch Cooler Master V1000 MasterCase Pro 5 CM Storm Havoc 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I5 2500K @ 4.6ghz  ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Gskill RipJaws X 16GB 1600mhz Seagate 2TB Seagate 320GB ASUS Burner 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master Eisberg 240L + 120mm Rad Koolance 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings PrimoChill Advanced LRT Windows 7  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Ubuntu 12.04 ASUS 24" Cooler Master Quickfire TK  Cooler Master V1000 
CaseMouse
Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition Cooler Master Havoc 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5-3210M  Intel HD Graphics 4000 Gskill 16GB 1600mhz  Crucial MX200 256GB 
Hard DriveOSOSMonitor
Seagate 320GB Ubuntu 16.04 Windows 10 1600x900 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7005 of 9531
Here I am again. I'll try to resume my problem in a single post and add more info and images.

Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Pro4
CPU: Intel Core i5 3570k
GPU: ASUS GTX 660ti DirectCU
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 8GB (2 x 4GB)
PSU: Seasonic S12 II Bronze 520W

I was using a mild overclock of 4.3GHz stable just to keep stock voltages. I bought a 32" monitor but for a strange reason I wasn't getting any signal from HDMI, so I hooked up to my old 23" to update the BIOS.

After the BIOS update to 1.80, my overclock settings seems to disappeared from BIOS menu.

- There is no more "Per Core" option under "CPU Ratio".
- If I select All Cores, BIOS refuses to go over 38 multiplier.
- Additional Turbo Voltage setting disappeared.
- Internal PLL Overvoltage setting disappeared.

I tried to CLEAR CMOS many times, even flashed old BIOS way down to 1.40 but my overclock settings seems to be gone.

If I try Advanced Turbo 30 or Load Optimized CPU Settings (any clock), under Windows my cores goes only up to 3.6GHz (all 4 cores in turbo), these two "automatic" overclock settings seems to have no effect.

This makes no sense, how my overclock settings disappeared? Even trying to re-flash they won't come back.

I have a video showing this issue, please watch in HD with annotation on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPikTbuRwIo

I installed Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to see if I could overclock via software, I know it should work because I tested this Intel utility before, and Intel Xtu shows my 3570k Turbo Overclockable as FALSE:

http://i.imgur.com/tA1UY1w.jpg

I cannot move core multiplier sliders, they are disabled:

http://i.imgur.com/IzAxTfQ.jpg

Also, IGPU seems to not work, no video from HDMI, VGA or DVI. Share Memory, IGPU Multi-Moniter and [Onboard] option from Advanced > North Bridge

Configuration > Primary Graphics Adapter disappeared.

I can't believe a simple BIOS update put me in all this trouble. BIOS updates are normal and should normally be done by end users without problem, but this seems to have permanently removed my overclock capabilities, even going back to previous BIOS versions won't get my overclock settings back.

I tried to remove the CPU, GPU, Memory, CLEAR CMOS, removed battery but nothing helped.

Screenshots:
Main Bios Screen showing my 3570k and latest BIOS and ASrock Z77 PRO4 board
http://i.imgur.com/LrrUgAs.jpg

System browser confirming my CPU and chipset:
http://i.imgur.com/MGXg2if.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xanvMzE.jpg

Per core setting not available. Internal PLL Overvoltage also disappeared:
http://i.imgur.com/roSKG06.jpg

No Share Memory, GPU Multi-Moniter and [Onboard] option from Advanced > North Bridge settings Configuration > Primary Graphics Adapter settings:
http://i.imgur.com/pztewtY.jpg

Other users reporting the same problem with a different ASrock motherboard:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition/5730#post_19739394
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2278289
http://us.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/vvsjb/problem_with_asrock_z77_extreme4_overclock/?sort=old

EDIT:

Now I just realized my memory OC settings are gone too.

I own 2 x 4 GB Corsair DDR3 2133 CL11 memory and now the only option available in UEFI BIOS is up to DDR3-1600, I cannot even try to set the speed manually. Before this "bug" I could go up to DDR3-2800 by sacrificing timings and stability.

Screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/ZOaYRVP.jpg

This is disturbing, is there a hidden menu or hotkey that we need to press to enable OC settings in Asrock UEFI???

i opened my case to take a look on the BIOS chip and it says "Z77 Pro4 P1.60 - 2A".

EDIT2: The option to load XMP profiles also are not present.

Just tried to flash 1.00 to 1.30 that I didn't tried before. Didn't solve the problem, OC settings still gone, multiplier won't go past 38, auto OC settings won't do anything, etc.

Found more people with same problem: http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/52798-asrock-z77-extrme4-all-core-multiplier-ram-overclocking-issue.html
Edited by Gacrux - 9/7/13 at 9:47am
post #7006 of 9531
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky 23 View Post

Dont worry about the VID just pay attention to the voltage displayed in CPU-z.

Your voltage is too high for 4ghz, so you will need to run a higher negative offset to bring the voltage down more or you will need to increase the multiplier.

okay then, thank you.

what would be a good core voltage for 4.2 ghz (what i absolutly want to achieve) and 4.4 ghz (what would be good, i dont need more).

regards

raidrr
post #7007 of 9531
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raidrr View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky 23 View Post

Dont worry about the VID just pay attention to the voltage displayed in CPU-z.

Your voltage is too high for 4ghz, so you will need to run a higher negative offset to bring the voltage down more or you will need to increase the multiplier.

okay then, thank you.

what would be a good core voltage for 4.2 ghz (what i absolutly want to achieve) and 4.4 ghz (what would be good, i dont need more).

regards

raidrr

Lucky gave you some solid advice, VID is just what voltage intel has pre-determined your chip will require to run at a specific multiplier, it is extremely unreliable, hence why we have options for additional turbo and offset. Nobody can tell you what your chip will require for a specific multiplier, that's the fun of overclocking, figuring it out for yourself! Testing idle voltage is kind of difficult, as there are no "test programs", browse the web, let it sit, use wordpad, let it sit, don't let it go to sleep, watch some youtube, let it sit overnight, let it sit....you get the picture? signs of instability will be unusual browser crashes, program crashes, also you can check your event viewer for any abnormal errors.
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
Blue540
(14 items)
 
x99
(18 items)
 
B.M.O.
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
6800k ASUS X99-A EVGA 980 FTW ACX 2.0 EVGA 980 FTW ACX2.0 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W Crucial MX100 WD Blue 1TB EK Supremacy EVO 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK 480 PE EK 240 PE EK D5 Vario Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 49KU7500 (curved 4k) Corsair K65 NZXT Hale 90 V2 1000W Thermaltake X9 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitch G100S X-Trac Ripper 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6400k msi A75MA-P33 Sapphire 6670 passive hynix 2 GB dual channel 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD  windows 8.1 e-machine wireless 
PowerCase
king win 600w custom built 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7008 of 9531
Quote:
Originally Posted by inedenimadam View Post

Lucky gave you some solid advice, VID is just what voltage intel has pre-determined your chip will require to run at a specific multiplier, it is extremely unreliable, hence why we have options for additional turbo and offset. Nobody can tell you what your chip will require for a specific multiplier, that's the fun of overclocking, figuring it out for yourself! Testing idle voltage is kind of difficult, as there are no "test programs", browse the web, let it sit, use wordpad, let it sit, don't let it go to sleep, watch some youtube, let it sit overnight, let it sit....you get the picture? signs of instability will be unusual browser crashes, program crashes, also you can check your event viewer for any abnormal errors.

Okay then, i will do that and see how low on core voltage i can go.

thank you very much for u help.
post #7009 of 9531
For some input on offset instability on a experience I just had. I had been running a -.180 offset and +0.004 turbo voltage for probably 2 weeks or so, completely stable @ 4.1Ghz, or so I thought. I left my PC idle often times, often times browsed the Internet, I played some games. Except randomly yesterday when browsing the Internet I got a BSOD. It's not too bad, 1 BSOD after so much start and stop idle in 2 weeks. But it just adds to what the more advanced overclockers are trying to say, with how its very hard to test a stable negative offset.
Gaming Rig
(12 items)
 
  
Reply
Gaming Rig
(12 items)
 
  
Reply
post #7010 of 9531
So i managed, thanks to this great guide and you guys, to get 4.4 Ghz with offset -0.100V and turbo +0.004V. I did the 1792 k run roughly over 1 hour, did a 960k in place run 2 hours and one costum 8k to 4096k run 19 hrs long, no bluescreens and errors occured. i also played 4 to 5 hours csgo already without any problem. so i think i can call these settings stable, right? in idle i dont have any problems either, but it has been only 2 days.
I've made a screenshot during the 8k to 4096k run, maybe u can tell me if the temps and voltage are ok for 4.4 GhZ. i have a chip thats called intel pch (not on the screenshot), apparently thats a chip at the backside of the motherboard. it reached ~60°C during the custom run, is that to hot or still ok?


i have one final question to LLC, hope thats ok.
since i have llc on level 3 i could notice a spice to max 1.264V during prime95. i've read that with llc there could be spikes up to max +0.1 V. when i add +0.1 V to 1.248 V (during prime load) it would reach only 1.34V during a spike, which would be in a save area, which wouldnt damage the cpu. can i calculate like that?

best regards

raidrr
Edited by Raidrr - 9/9/13 at 6:35am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › Complete Overclocking Guide: Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge | *ASRock Edition*