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everything looks fine. although i would set a manual value for turbo voltage but that's just me. i find that with our board, leaving turbo voltage to auto yield a much bigger and frequent voltage fluctuation.
Thanks! Any tips how to reach 4.5GHz?
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Thanks! Any tips how to reach 4.5GHz?

see what your temp is like at 4.3 and 4.4, and what voltage it requires to run those frequencies. if they can pass prime95 for at least 2 hours, and temps are good, it's very likely that you can get there.

find out what your "wall" is. you'll know it once you hit a speed that requires tremendous amount of voltage bump. that's when you know you're close to the limit of your chip. from there on, you can probably squeeze another 100mhz or 200mhz out of it provided if the temps are good.
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in this modern age we have a smart SVID

I am not putting words in your mouth, I may be misinterpreting your meaning, but they are your words. Using auto-voltage is a very dumbed down way to overclock...even down at the 4.2 the VID is likely to be way off. In my case, 4.2 my SVID is .080 over stable manual voltage...which coincidentally. is enough overvoltage to get me all the way to 4.5. I get it, you are saying, intel uses an algorithm to set a dynamic VID, making it "smart"er than previous iterations of intel products which just used a fixed number...but considering you are more likely to shoot the wings off a fly, blindfolded, with a rubber band, at 50 yards, than get a VID that is the ideal voltage for any multiplier...and this is why I chuckle at the thought of "smart" being used to describe "VID".

Words never typed in this thread: "I overclocked just like the guide says, and it turned out to be the exact same idle/loaded value when I left everything on auto"

Case and point:
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Hi, thanks a lot for the guide! I was just wondering guys, am I doing something wrong here? I feel like my temps are okay and everything, but I'm not too sure about the core voltage.
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Edit: I'd like to reach 4.5Ghz, but so far no success.

Your chip should do 4.5 without much issue, but not while you are using auto voltage. Change "Additional Turbo Voltage" to .+004, Chane offset voltage to +.005, and multiplier to 45. Test for stability, using only additional turbo voltage until you reach a point you can pass P95. Hopefully your chip will stabilize around 1.30 and under 85C.
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not saying that's what SVID is if that's what you're implying. i simply was comparing the old days when ships were hard set a specific voltage, unlike the modern day cpu that has auto variable VID that varies from chip to chip. is it smarter? i guess depends. it scales according to voltage, as oppose to a set value.

let me just say it again, if you bump up the mult to 45, and SVID is giving you a 3.4v value, that's how much the VID is telling you it needs in order to stablizes itself. you can force a lower voltage and you might get away with some level of stability, but that's all you're doing, getting away with some level of stability. it's like undervolting a chip that's needs 1.1v to run stock, and you're undervolting it by going lower. you can get away, but doesn't change the fact that the system requests 1.1v to run stable. i don't understand what all the obsession with going lower volt. you're kicking yourself in the foot if you're undervolting what SVID specifies what is needed. as long as you have a reasonable temperature, having that extra buffer of voltage will just give you more ceiling to play with. if you can do 4.5 @ 1.34v at 77c load, vs 4.5ghz @1.3v at 75c load, and you know the system is stable all the way at that frequency and 1.34v up to 90c without crashing, having that higher volt will just give you more stability in the summer when ambient is higher vs a lower volt in the summer when the transistor will just error out due to higher ambient affecting the signal strength. there's truth about giving it the lowest amount of volt at a given frequency, but i think many are over doing it. to each his own, if you have a chip that does 1.3v stable, and will crash at 1.295v. you can chose to leave it at 1.3v, i personally would give it more buffer and have it run at 1.325 provided if the temperature at load is reasonable. this is why intel don't set the voltage to be exactly right on the line for what the sillicon needs to operate, they factor in the heat ceiling and operating range by padding an additional amount of juice on top of what is needed.

It doesn't work that way though, VID is USELESS! Your also not kicking yourself in the foot by lowering the vcore below the VID. Your actually fine tuning your overclock to find the exact vcore that your chip needs at X multiplier since the VID wants to Overvolt your chip.

My chip right now needs 1.336v to stabilize a 46 mulit but my VID is 1.43v. The VID is off by 0.094v so its not even close to correct. By finding the lowest Idle voltage and lowest full load voltage your are increasing the longevity of your chip and decreasing full load and case temperatures at the same time.

Overclocking to X multi and setting the voltage to be identical to the VID is just a lazy overclock.
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If SVID was "smart", we could just set the voltage to auto and change the multiplier, and the guide on the first page would be a whole lot shorter. Also, notice that there is no mention of SVID in the guide, as it generally just confuses the situation. When overclocking/undervolting, SVID becomes completely arbitrary other than being a fixed point to begin offset calculations. SVID is only "smart" when the end user does not look into the actual voltage requirements of their chip.

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I am not putting words in your mouth, I may be misinterpreting your meaning, but they are your words. Using auto-voltage is a very dumbed down way to overclock...even down at the 4.2 the VID is likely to be way off. In my case, 4.2 my SVID is .080 over stable manual voltage...which coincidentally. is enough overvoltage to get me all the way to 4.5. I get it, you are saying, intel uses an algorithm to set a dynamic VID, making it "smart"er than previous iterations of intel products which just used a fixed number...but considering you are more likely to shoot the wings off a fly, blindfolded, with a rubber band, at 50 yards, than get a VID that is the ideal voltage for any multiplier...and this is why I chuckle at the thought of "smart" being used to describe "VID".

Words never typed in this thread: "I overclocked just like the guide says, and it turned out to be the exact same idle/loaded value when I left everything on auto"

Case and point:
Your chip should do 4.5 without much issue, but not while you are using auto voltage. Change "Additional Turbo Voltage" to .+004, Chane offset voltage to +.005, and multiplier to 45. Test for stability, using only additional turbo voltage until you reach a point you can pass P95. Hopefully your chip will stabilize around 1.30 and under 85C.

i stand corrected. but what i meant to say was modern cpus are a lot smarter for one to overlock than back in the days when values were hard set. SVID in modern day has a dynamic requirement according to mlutiplyer that's given. but it's by no means SMART. smart is a very subjective point of view, everyone have a very different standard. i wouldn't necessary call SVID smart, but rather the modern day cpus are smarter in figuring out voltage than the old days.

take your point for example, your chip might be stable at a certain voltage that's .08 lower than what VID sets itself to. but there's a reason VID sets it .08 higher than what you give it, it's that built in safety protocol of thermal ceiling. yes, every chip can run lower than what it's factory set to, but you're essentially undervolting the chip for whatever reason you see fit. but it doesn't change the fact that's the required voltage set by the VID, or intel. i am sure you'll have no trouble play games, do some reasonable intense tasks. but there's a reason intel padded those voltage value, for maximum stability and thermal ceiling. take for example if you set offset to +.005, and turbo to -.004, which essentially equals .001 of difference of what SVID value really is. whatever voltage you get in CPU-z is the value VID determines it needs.

it's no secret and no news that users have been buying CPUs from dawn of time, and some choose to under volt the stock voltage value. no one is stopping you if it still runs the apps you throw at it. but just know that it's below what's required. so comes summer time when those transistor can't passe through because it errors out, you might have to bump up the voltage. same reason people buy RAMS and undervolt them at the given stock speed. i just think it's pointless, and people tend to go overboard with the idea.
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It doesn't work that way though, VID is USELESS! Your also not kicking yourself in the foot by lowering the vcore below the VID. Your actually fine tuning your overclock to find the exact vcore that your chip needs at X multiplier since the VID wants to Overvolt your chip.

My chip right now needs 1.336v to stabilize a 46 mulit but my VID is 1.43v. The VID is off by 0.094v so its not even close to correct. By finding the lowest Idle voltage and lowest full load voltage your are increasing the longevity of your chip and decreasing full load and case temperatures at the same time.

Overclocking to X multi and setting the voltage to be identical to the VID is just a lazy overclock.
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read my post to inedenimadam

your argument is basically whatever Intel's set voltage is useless and dumb. you chose to under volt it by a set value below that threshold. which is fine. and it might very well be stable for whatever you throw at it, but just know that it might not be what Intel deem stable.
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Well Intel is wrong


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Keep thinking what you want but VID is useless and they are wrong because that feature does not work correctly at all. Enjoy having a half assed overvolted OC
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your argument is basically whatever Intel's set voltage is useless and dumb. you chose to under volt it by a set value below that threshold. which is fine. and it might very well be stable for whatever you throw at it, but just know that it might not be what Intel deem stable.


Yes, that is my argument. thumb.gif







This chip of mine is pretty stinkin' sweet voltage sipper, but intel would still undervolt it at load. Close only gets you points in horse shoes and hand grenades. We are dealing with sensitive transistors that like what they like, and they are each unique in what they like. VID might be smarter than a fixed number, but for enthusiast looking for the sweet spot overclock it is useless, and dumb.
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