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post #7611 of 9531
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Keep thinking what you want but VID is useless and they are wrong because that feature does not work correctly at all. Enjoy having a half assed overvolted OC

conversely, i can say that you can enjoy your barely minimum juiced up OC that might run into errors or stability, but it's your car, i ain't tellin you how to drive it.

clearly two different school of thought. i like to have a bit of buffer of thermal ceiling.
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Yes, that is my argument. thumb.gif







This chip of mine is pretty stinkin' sweet voltage sipper, but intel would still undervolt it at load. Close only gets you points in horse shoes and hand grenades. We are dealing with sensitive transistors that like what they like, and they are each unique in what they like. VID might be smarter than a fixed number, but for enthusiast looking for the sweet spot overclock it is useless, and dumb.

i agree, although i wouldnt' go as far as to say VID is useless. it's afterall a baseline set by the guys who made the chips. it's a guideline none the less you're free to play with.

like i said, two different school of thought, lets agree to disagree.
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Yes, that is my argument. thumb.gif







This chip of mine is pretty stinkin' sweet voltage sipper, but intel would still undervolt it at load. Close only gets you points in horse shoes and hand grenades. We are dealing with sensitive transistors that like what they like, and they are each unique in what they like. VID might be smarter than a fixed number, but for enthusiast looking for the sweet spot overclock it is useless, and dumb.

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conversely, i can say that you can enjoy your barely minimum juiced up OC that might run into errors or stability, but it's your car, i ain't tellin you how to drive it.

clearly two different school of thought. i like to have a bit of buffer of thermal ceiling.

Wrong !!! I have been helping people in this thread OC since close to page 10 and have been doing so consistently for almost 2 years. So for you to come in with your 30+ post, stating that I'm wrong or giving off the impression that i don't know what I'm doing is completely ridiculous. I could care less about your Noob opinion. As I said before basing your voltage on what VID is displayed is completely lazy!!!

I also have not had 1 error since i overclocked this CPU 2 years ago
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Wrong !!! I have been helping people in this thread OC since close to page 10 and have been doing so consistently for almost 2 years. So for you to come in with your 30+ post, stating that I'm wrong or giving off the impression that i don't know what I'm doing is completely ridiculous. I could care less about your Noob opinion. As I said before basing your voltage on what VID is displayed is completely lazy!!!

I also have not had 1 error since i overclocked this CPU 2 years ago

that's very mature of you. i never said you were wrong. if anything, i clearly stated above that it's two different school of thought.

2 years is suppose to make you an expert? you don't see me waving a flag to people saying i've been overclocking for 15 years since the days of first gen pentium, when things weren't as easy and clear cut, that required days of work just to sqeeze 33mhz out of a chip. for you to call one person's opinion as wrong really shows your maturity. my initial post was clearly to demonstrate that every chip is different and only way to find out is to test it yourself.

my chip for example will do 4.8ghz at 1.36v all the way up to 82 degrees then it errors out in Prime. but bumping it up to 1.37 ensures it stable all the way up to 95c. i clearly like a bit of thermal ceiling. this is a discussion forum, a place to share different opinion and methodology, if you cannot even stand the idea of having different opinions, i don't know what to tell you.
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Keep thinking what you want but VID is useless and they are wrong because that feature does not work correctly at all. Enjoy having a half assed overvolted OC

conversely, i can say that you can enjoy your barely minimum juiced up OC that might run into errors or stability, but it's your car, i ain't tellin you how to drive it.

clearly two different school of thought. i like to have a bit of buffer of thermal ceiling.

The issue is that your school of though is...out of alignment with the overclocking community. Evidenced by the lack of mention of VID in overclocking guides for Sandy/Ivy, other than for converting fixed to dynamic overclock (special case that still ends up with a different VCore not equaling VID). You yourself just a few posts ago suggested that auto-voltage may produce unwanted results...Auto-voltage is essentially just your motherboard reading a VID table and trying to deliver that number.
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No you clearly called me out earlier in your "Rant" post but what ever you say man. Its not a different school of though, one is clearly wrong and overvolting the CPU, the other is the correct way that experienced overclockers stand by. inedenimadam is also an experienced overclocker and has been helping people overclock in this tread for a long time. You should listen when more then one person is stating that your "school of thought" is wrong.

I have also been overclocking for well over 2 years.. I said THIS CPU
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The issue is that your school of though is...out of alignment with the overclocking community. Evidenced by the lack of mention of VID in overclocking guides for Sandy/Ivy, other than for converting fixed to dynamic overclock (special case that still ends up with a different VCore not equaling VID). You yourself just a few posts ago suggested that auto-voltage may produce unwanted results...Auto-voltage is essentially just your motherboard reading a VID table and trying to deliver that number.

the author of this guide although went straight to manual overclock, it is by no means THE BIBLE of all. if you google around, you'll find discussions on VID. it's a baseline like i mentioned for you to use as a guide, it is up to each individual to decide to go by it or not, but none the less a baseline set by the manufacturer. SVID doesn't do everything for you, as i mentioned, it only works up to somewhere around 42~43 mluti, after that it's trial and errors and playing with different combinations. but to say that SVID is dumb and useless is a bit of stretch. it provides a guideline and baseline for the chip functionality.

take example, if you're ever into cars. GM clearly can pump out more horse power with their 6.2liter engine, maybe up to 480~500 if enthusiasts were to tune it themselves, however, for longevity and ensure it survives in every temperature scenario, manufacturers conservatively set it to 420hps so it has enough padding and headroom for safety. i never said you can't run your chip at "just enough" for that frequency, but having a bit of padded room on top will ensure full stability through the season and different applications. where is that headroom, you'll have to find it out yourself.
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No you clearly called me out earlier in your "Rant" post but what ever you say man. Its not a different school of though, one is clearly wrong and overvolting the CPU, the other is the correct way that experienced overclockers stand by. inedenimadam is also an experienced overclocker and has been helping people overclock in this tread for a long time. You should listen when more then one person is stating that your "school of thought" is wrong.

I have also been overclocking for well over 2 years.. I said THIS CPU

you clearly assumed that all CPUs fall into that category you're used to, based on your more than 2 years of experience, while on a larger scale it's not the case. my last chip vs my current chip is an example of opposite end of the scale. and for one to assume that all fall into one category is naive.

btw you're overvolting no matter what when you're overclocking. it's a fine balance of finding what voltage will provide enough signal strength while not allowing the added heat affecting the transistors. and there's no bible for that, every chip will vary and differ.
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No you clearly called me out earlier in your "Rant" post but what ever you say man. Its not a different school of though, one is clearly wrong and overvolting the CPU, the other is the correct way that experienced overclockers stand by. inedenimadam is also an experienced overclocker and has been helping people overclock in this tread for a long time. You should listen when more then one person is stating that your "school of thought" is wrong.

I have also been overclocking for well over 2 years.. I said THIS CPU

you clearly assumed that all CPUs fall into that category you're used to, based on your more than 2 years of experience, while on a larger scale it's not the case. my last chip vs my current chip is an example of opposite end of the scale. and for one to assume that all fall into one category is naive.

btw you're overvolting no matter what when you're overclocking. it's a fine balance of finding what voltage will provide enough signal strength while not allowing the added heat affecting the transistors. and there's no bible for that, every chip will vary and differ.


Many would consider guides like the one on the first page a "bible" for overclocking, because it takes variable quality chips into consideration in its methodology. It works as a catch all solution for those looking to squeeze more out of their processor than intel specs them at. VID is not a part of this methodology or most others. If you wish to convince people of the wisdom of your overclocking methodology over the one provided by Kenny, the "start a new thread" button is clearly visible on every page of the forums. I would suggest you use it, and preach the wisdom of intels VID tables there, instead of where it is treated as an unimportant and arbitrary value.

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