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i am using right now i think is 40 as you told me and the CPU voltages on bios is 1.240
i did that before and it was freezing on the desktop, so i was rasing it 10 by 10 until i got it on 40... im now testing with BF4, my idle dont remember but load before the the overclock it was 1.128 and sometimes 1.136
thanks i didnt know that.

It was freezing at the desktop because your idle vcore was too low with a +0.005 offset.

If your stable at the desktop then I wouldn't raise offset any higher. Usually if you idle is too low it will freeze at the desktop or at light load such as surfin the web.

If your full load is not stable then start raising turbo

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This are the temps and the voltages running BF4 CPUZ shows 1.224 and Hwinfo shows 1.281


Idle = .831v
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You can't use turbo by itself, it works together with offset. You can overclock with offset only but usually you will end up with a high idle vcore at higher multipliers (44 + ).

If you use them both together you can maintain a low idle vcore (close or same as stock) and a stable full load vcore.

At stock i idle at .960. Overclocked i idle at .972 (close enough) and then my voltage will increase to 1.336-1.344 at 4.6ghz. Im using a -0.010 offset and +0.078 turbo.

I'm confused as to why you would use them together. Your stock vcore should be stable across the lower spectrum of speeds. I've never heard of a case where someone needed to add offset to keep their system from crashing at idle. The only time it would be an issue is if you're undervolting using offset, and even then I've managed -1.025 and still didn't have drop outs at idle.

It's fine to use turbo by itself without touching offset, but I dislike how it behaves in real world use. For some reason I get higher overshoot with it enabled then I do with plain offset.
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I'm confused as to why you would use them together. Your stock vcore should be stable across the lower spectrum of speeds. I've never heard of a case where someone needed to add offset to keep their system from crashing at idle. The only time it would be an issue is if you're undervolting using offset, and even then I've managed -1.025 and still didn't have drop outs at idle.

It's fine to use turbo by itself without touching offset, but I dislike how it behaves in real world use. For some reason I get higher overshoot with it enabled then I do with plain offset.

I believe depends on your VID. For him a +0.005 offset put his idle vcore well below .831 which caused instability. Most people who post in here, with a 44 + multiplier and a +0.005 offset will be fine at idle. A +0.005 offset usually puts them closer to 1.00v at idle but it still depends on the chip.

The same thing can happen using negative offset, if you bring your idle voltage down too much it will become unstable and freeze/crash during idle/light load.

With your +0.020 offset and then adding additional turbo voltage, yes your full load vcore may be to high. You may need to try a +0.005 offset and a +0.016 turbo to have a lower idle vcore and roughly the same full load vcore.

It also depends on what LLC level you are using

Basically if you use offset only, you have no control over your idle vcore. You are just increasing it until your full load is stable. What ever idle vcore you end up with is what your stuck with.
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I believe depends on your VID. For him a +0.005 offset put his idle vcore well below .831 which caused instability. Most people who post in here, with a 44 + multiplier and a +0.005 offset will be fine at idle. A +0.005 offset usually puts them closer to 1.00v at idle but it still depends on the chip.

The same thing can happen using negative offset, if you bring your idle voltage down too much it will become unstable and freeze/crash during idle/light load.

With your +0.020 offset and then adding additional turbo voltage, yes your full load vcore may be to high. You may need to try a +0.005 offset and a +0.016 turbo to have a lower idle vcore and roughly the same full load vcore.

It also depends on what LLC level you are using

Basically if you use offset only, you have no control over your idle vcore. You are just increasing it until your full load is stable. What ever idle vcore you end up with is what your stuck with.

I just don't understand for some reason. From what I've seen, speedstep multipliers aren't changed when you adjust the maximum turbo multiplier (which is what you change with all K chips). Therefore, you shouldn't ever need to touch any voltage settings at all to maintain idle stability in any circumstance outside of undervolting purposely.

Using the additional turbo voltage setting as far as I know only adds extra voltage when your chip turbos to the full multiplier you have set, in my case this is 44. Until it hits full speed, nothing is different compared to a stock chip. My problem is that this setting causes extra vrise (or whatever you call it) meaning I get spikes to 1.212 instead of staying at 1.2 flat if i use just a positive offset. Now I'm not using them together or anything either, I either set one or the other to .020.

Am I wrong about something here?
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I believe depends on your VID. For him a +0.005 offset put his idle vcore well below .831 which caused instability. Most people who post in here, with a 44 + multiplier and a +0.005 offset will be fine at idle. A +0.005 offset usually puts them closer to 1.00v at idle but it still depends on the chip.

The same thing can happen using negative offset, if you bring your idle voltage down too much it will become unstable and freeze/crash during idle/light load.

With your +0.020 offset and then adding additional turbo voltage, yes your full load vcore may be to high. You may need to try a +0.005 offset and a +0.016 turbo to have a lower idle vcore and roughly the same full load vcore.

It also depends on what LLC level you are using

Basically if you use offset only, you have no control over your idle vcore. You are just increasing it until your full load is stable. What ever idle vcore you end up with is what your stuck with.

well i put what u told me, and now my idle vols are always 1.240 it doesnt go down. at least CPU Z and my kill a watts is telling me that is using to much power on idle like 200watts
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well i put what u told me, and now my idle vols are always 1.240 it doesnt go down. at least CPU Z and my kill a watts is telling me that is using to much power on idle like 200watts

Do you have your Windows power settings set to balanced rather then high performance?
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Do you have your Windows power settings set to balanced rather then high performance?

its on balacend man.
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I just don't understand for some reason. From what I've seen, speedstep multipliers aren't changed when you adjust the maximum turbo multiplier (which is what you change with all K chips). Therefore, you shouldn't ever need to touch any voltage settings at all to maintain idle stability in any circumstance outside of undervolting purposely.

Using the additional turbo voltage setting as far as I know only adds extra voltage when your chip turbos to the full multiplier you have set, in my case this is 44. Until it hits full speed, nothing is different compared to a stock chip. My problem is that this setting causes extra vrise (or whatever you call it) meaning I get spikes to 1.212 instead of staying at 1.2 flat if i use just a positive offset. Now I'm not using them together or anything either, I either set one or the other to .020.

Am I wrong about something here?

You would need to find out what vcore your chip idles at when stock to see if everything is identical besides the turbo multiplier and the full load vcore.

Also you can't select one or the other. You are either using additional turbo voltage to increase the full load vcore or your not. Offset will provide a idle & full load vcore based off the VID. Turbo voltage is in addition to the full load vcore provided by your current offset.

Example: If X offset provides you with a full load vcore of 1.20 but that vcore is unstable in Prime 95, you have two options: increase offset which will also increase your idle vcore (which you may not want) or add turbo to the full load.

So say you add an additional + 0.024v turbo. Your offset will still provide1.20v but additional turbo will kick in ad add +0.024 to make your total full load vcore = roughly 1.224v. Idle will remain unchanged. Make sense?

Also you will see your voltage spike higher in HWmonitor compared to the vcore displayed in CPU-z when Prime 95 is running. This is because of LLC overcompensating and this usually happens at boot.
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its on balacend man.

Then you should see you vcore in CPU-z decrease along with the multiplier? Does this happen?
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EK R9 290X GPU Waterblocks EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump Alphacool NexXxoS 360mm ST30 Alphacool NexXxoS 240mm ST30 
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Alphacool NexXxoS 120mm ST30 Cooler Master Jetflo 120mm Fans Windows 10  LG 34UC88 
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Quickfire TK red switch Cooler Master V1000 MasterCase Pro 5 CM Storm Havoc 
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I5 2500K @ 4.6ghz  ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition 
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Gskill RipJaws X 16GB 1600mhz Seagate 2TB Seagate 320GB ASUS Burner 
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Cooler Master Eisberg 240L + 120mm Rad Koolance 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings PrimoChill Advanced LRT Windows 7  
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Ubuntu 12.04 ASUS 24" Cooler Master Quickfire TK  Cooler Master V1000 
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Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition Cooler Master Havoc 
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i5-3210M  Intel HD Graphics 4000 Gskill 16GB 1600mhz  Crucial MX200 256GB 
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Seagate 320GB Ubuntu 16.04 Windows 10 1600x900 
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I7 6700K @ 4.5ghz  Gigabyte Z170x Gaming 6 XFX R9 290x 8GB XFX R9 290x 8GB 
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Gskill RipJaws V 16GB 3000mhz Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 2TB EK-Supremacy EVO CPU Water Block 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK R9 290X GPU Waterblocks EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM Pump Alphacool NexXxoS 360mm ST30 Alphacool NexXxoS 240mm ST30 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS 120mm ST30 Cooler Master Jetflo 120mm Fans Windows 10  LG 34UC88 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Quickfire TK red switch Cooler Master V1000 MasterCase Pro 5 CM Storm Havoc 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I5 2500K @ 4.6ghz  ASRock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition ASUS 7870 Ghz Edition 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Gskill RipJaws X 16GB 1600mhz Seagate 2TB Seagate 320GB ASUS Burner 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master Eisberg 240L + 120mm Rad Koolance 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings PrimoChill Advanced LRT Windows 7  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Ubuntu 12.04 ASUS 24" Cooler Master Quickfire TK  Cooler Master V1000 
CaseMouse
Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition Cooler Master Havoc 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5-3210M  Intel HD Graphics 4000 Gskill 16GB 1600mhz  Crucial MX200 256GB 
Hard DriveOSOSMonitor
Seagate 320GB Ubuntu 16.04 Windows 10 1600x900 
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