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VRMs overheating. What board?

As written in the sheet, it is Asrock Z77 Pro4. How can I check VRMs? I am monitoring Prime now for quite some time, and it seems like it is throttling as soon as 65°C is kicking in, even when OC is only set to like x39. Find it strange too that I get these temps so easily with such an expensive AIO...
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VRMs overheating. What board?

As written in the sheet, it is Asrock Z77 Pro4. How can I check VRMs? I am monitoring Prime now for quite some time, and it seems like it is throttling as soon as 65°C is kicking in, even when OC is only set to like x39. Find it strange too that I get these temps so easily with such an expensive AIO...

I edited my post, and this is a new page, so might want to go back and re-read. VRMs have nothing to do with core temperature. The AIO may actually be counter productive to the VRMs because tower coolers usually stir up air around the socket and VRMs, where an AIO wont.
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I edited my post, and this is a new page, so might want to go back and re-read. VRMs have nothing to do with core temperature. The AIO may actually be counter productive to the VRMs because tower coolers usually stir up air around the socket and VRMs, where an AIO wont.

I guess the VRM is this big black block sittung under the radiator? http://i.imgur.com/f8W8KJQ.jpg At least thats the part causing a big burn on my finger when finding out what might be overheating biggrin.gif

I pointed a fan to it now, only had a 140mm fan flying around here, lets see if it throttles... What would be my options in case this is the problem, lower overclock is no option for me to be honest

1) Find a 1155 board which is actually good? This seems really stupid since the 1155 is dead, but I rather don't want to spend 500+ for a new board and CPU since the CPU is doing just fine...
2) Switch to Air cooling instead of AIO? The AIO really seems counter effective since the VRM is just blocked by the radiator
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I edited my post, and this is a new page, so might want to go back and re-read. VRMs have nothing to do with core temperature. The AIO may actually be counter productive to the VRMs because tower coolers usually stir up air around the socket and VRMs, where an AIO wont.

I guess the VRM is this big black block sittung under the radiator? http://i.imgur.com/f8W8KJQ.jpg At least thats the part causing a big burn on my finger when finding out what might be overheating biggrin.gif

LOL! Touching it was NOT part of the steps to determining the problem!

Honestly, if you plan on overclocking, a 4+1 board really should not be used. You may be able to squeeze a little more than stock multiplier on very little VCore increase, but for any meaningful gains you should consider replacing it for one with a 8+1 or 8+2 VRM layout. Decent Z77 boards can be had for not allot of $$$ on ebay, and you can resell or repurpose the pro board. It is still a fairly feature-full board, just not one really designed with an overclocker in mind. The Z77 extreme4 is a really nice board for the money if you are brand loyal.

Instead of relying on a manufacturers advertisements to determine VRM layout, you can just count the chokes (grey squares). If there are 5 or 6, then it is either a 4+1 or a 4+2, if there are 9 or 10, then it is a 8+1 or a 8+2 layout. Either an 8+1 or 8+2 will allow much better overclocking results without the throttling. the first number is phases to the CPU, and the +second number is phases to the RAM. If you are overvolting and overclocking your RAM as well, an 8+2 will be your best bet.

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I edited my post, and this is a new page, so might want to go back and re-read. VRMs have nothing to do with core temperature. The AIO may actually be counter productive to the VRMs because tower coolers usually stir up air around the socket and VRMs, where an AIO wont.

I guess the VRM is this big black block sittung under the radiator? http://i.imgur.com/f8W8KJQ.jpg At least thats the part causing a big burn on my finger when finding out what might be overheating biggrin.gif

LOL! Touching it was NOT part of the steps to determining the problem!

Honestly, if you plan on overclocking, a 4+1 board really should not be used. You may be able to squeeze a little more than stock multiplier on very little VCore increase, but for any meaningful gains you should consider replacing it for one with a 8+1 or 8+2 VRM layout. Decent Z77 boards can be had for not allot of $$$ on ebay, and you can resell or repurpose the pro board. It is still a fairly feature-full board, just not one really designed with an overclocker in mind. The Z77 extreme4 is a really nice board for the money if you are brand loyal.

Instead of relying on a manufacturers advertisements to determine VRM layout, you can just count the chokes (grey squares). If there are 5 or 6, then it is either a 4+1 or a 4+2, if there are 9 or 10, then it is a 8+1 or a 8+2 layout. Either an 8+1 or 8+2 will allow much better overclocking results without the throttling. the first number is phases to the CPU, and the +second number is phases to the RAM. If you are overvolting and overclocking your RAM as well, an 8+2 will be your best bet.


Edit: I dont see a case listed, but if you can relocate the radiator, you may be able to clear up some airflow.

Also, if this is a gaming rig, the benefits of going with a whole new set-up vs. just a new (or used) board is not worth it IMO. My 3570k @ 5.0 performs almost identical to my 5820k @ 4.5 in most all gaming scenarios. The 2600k is still a mighty CPU by today's standards, beats anything AMD has to offer at the moment, and is only incrementally behind intel's newer chips
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Edit: I dont see a case listed, but if you can relocate the radiator, you may be able to clear up some airflow.

Also, if this is a gaming rig, the benefits of going with a whole new set-up vs. just a new (or used) board is not worth it IMO. My 3570k @ 5.0 performs almost identical to my 5820k @ 4.5 in most all gaming scenarios. The 2600k is still a mighty CPU by today's standards, beats anything AMD has to offer at the moment, and is only incrementally behind intel's newer chips
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Edit: I dont see a case listed, but if you can relocate the radiator, you may be able to clear up some airflow.

Also, if this is a gaming rig, the benefits of going with a whole new set-up vs. just a new (or used) board is not worth it IMO. My 3570k @ 5.0 performs almost identical to my 5820k @ 4.5 in most all gaming scenarios. The 2600k is still a mighty CPU by today's standards, beats anything AMD has to offer at the moment, and is only incrementally behind intel's newer chips

I have a Phantek Evolv ATX case, could mount the radiator in the front to be honest, question is if it will even help the VRMs to get cooler, guess a little fan (40mm? 60mm?) will help more.

Having not a single throttle so far with the fan pointing below the radiator, but of course this is no situation in my case right now, cant leave it like this biggrin.gif

About decent boards, is there anything for Z77 from Asus which supports the AI Suite? Only hearing good things about it. Looking at the prices on Ebay I still have to invest around 100-120€ for a Z77 board... Might be almost the same when I go for 1 x Intel Core i5-6600K, 4x 3.50GHz, boxed ohne Kühler (BX80662I56600K)
1 x ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Ranger (90MB0LX0-M0EAY0) and sell my board+CPU for around 260-280€...
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Edit: I dont see a case listed, but if you can relocate the radiator, you may be able to clear up some airflow.

Also, if this is a gaming rig, the benefits of going with a whole new set-up vs. just a new (or used) board is not worth it IMO. My 3570k @ 5.0 performs almost identical to my 5820k @ 4.5 in most all gaming scenarios. The 2600k is still a mighty CPU by today's standards, beats anything AMD has to offer at the moment, and is only incrementally behind intel's newer chips
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Edit: I dont see a case listed, but if you can relocate the radiator, you may be able to clear up some airflow.

Also, if this is a gaming rig, the benefits of going with a whole new set-up vs. just a new (or used) board is not worth it IMO. My 3570k @ 5.0 performs almost identical to my 5820k @ 4.5 in most all gaming scenarios. The 2600k is still a mighty CPU by today's standards, beats anything AMD has to offer at the moment, and is only incrementally behind intel's newer chips

I have a Phantek Evolv ATX case, could mount the radiator in the front to be honest, question is if it will even help the VRMs to get cooler, guess a little fan (40mm? 60mm?) will help more.

Having not a single throttle so far with the fan pointing below the radiator, but of course this is no situation in my case right now, cant leave it like this biggrin.gif

About decent boards, is there anything for Z77 from Asus which supports the AI Suite? Only hearing good things about it. Looking at the prices on Ebay I still have to invest around 100-120€ for a Z77 board... Might be almost the same when I go for 1 x Intel Core i5-6600K, 4x 3.50GHz, boxed ohne Kühler (BX80662I56600K)
1 x ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Ranger (90MB0LX0-M0EAY0) and sell my board+CPU for around 260-280€...

If you can settle for a lesser overclock, then I would move the radiator and concoct a solution for airflow tailored to your case. Without having my hands on it, I really cant say what that will end up being. But obviously airflow fixes the problem...so the choice is yours: upgrade now or later?
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If you can settle for a lesser overclock, then I would move the radiator and concoct a solution for airflow tailored to your case. Without having my hands on it, I really cant say what that will end up being. But obviously airflow fixes the problem...so the choice is yours: upgrade now or later?
Its kind of hard to find airflow setups for this case, seems like it is hard to get in some parts of the globe and also it is kind of expensive, hence not so many have it. I run 2x Noctua NF-F12 front intake, Radiator with 2x Noctua NF-A14 exhaust, and 1x Noctua NF-A14 in the back as exhaust, should be enough air I guess.

But I think the main reason is that the radiator sits too low and blocking off the VRMs, I could try to lift the radiator a few centimeters up since my case has a radiator cage which takes away space and is kind of useless.

Meanwhile I look for some 1155 boards on my local Ebay, if I can't find anything I will update to Skylake and a good ROG board. After all it will be +/- 0 when I sell my CPU+Board, and buying hardware is very tax-supported for me as a freelance worker :-) Definitely thanks for your help so far, wouldn't have thought about the VRMs at all smile.gif
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Hi guys, after reading many and many pages of this spectacular thread, I think I understand well how to proceed with overclocking my CPU, but I have some doubts for this I ask you to make clear my questions.

first of all I'm interested using the Offset Mode and before proceeding with overclocking, I would like to achieve the lowest possible voltage with negative offset for my CPU when it is idle.
For know that I wonder if this is enough reduce the offset and leave PC in idle showing the Desktop for some hours without crashes? or would it be better to set in bios the negative vcore chosen and a neutral turbo boost offset at 0.0v after set a maximum multiplier of 16x and benchmark with that frequency repeat again with all other ratio 17x, 18x, 19x etc.?

Instead for test a stable OC what do you think about OCCT? for my it's a great software that make several graphs summary for every bench.

for the moment I'm stay at 4.0GHz with setting recommended by Kenny in his OP.

My system config is:
i7-2700K
Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3
4x4GB G.Skill 1333 7-7-7-21 XMP
Corsair H55 watercooler in push-pull

Thaks in advance for any answer!
Edited by Stephen88 - 1/31/16 at 5:47am
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What multiplier are you going to try and stabilize ? 4.0ghz or higher?

First, you need to adjust your BIOS to be identical to the OP.

Next, with that mulit set in BIOS, boot into windows with a +0.005 offset +0.004 turbo. There is not a 0.00v Turbo, it starts at +0.004

Post your idle and full load vcore displayed in CPU-z here
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