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post #9061 of 9534
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What multiplier are you going to try and stabilize ? 4.0ghz or higher?

First, you need to adjust your BIOS to be identical to the OP.

Next, with that mulit set in BIOS, boot into windows with a +0.005 offset +0.004 turbo. There is not a 0.00v Turbo, it starts at +0.004

Post your idle and full load vcore displayed in CPU-z here


actually I'm not at home as soon as I can post my vcore value. But if memory serves me right at load I have 1.28v
For the rest my bios setting is like the kenny's post. Until now I have always been at 4.0ghz perfectly with +0.005 offset and +0.004 turbo, LLC Lv.5

But before proceeding to further step overclocking, my question is about, determine the stable frequencies with negative offset.
How can you tell me about my previus post?

For know that I wonder if this is enough reduce the offset and leave PC in idle showing the Desktop for some hours without crashes? or would it be better to set in bios the negative vcore chosen and a neutral turbo boost offset at 0.0v after set a maximum multiplier of 16x and benchmark with that frequency repeat again with all other ratio 17x, 18x, 19x etc.?
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If your offset is too low then you will see crashes during light load. Personally i wouldn't' spend time running a stress test at a 16 mulit
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If your offset is too low then you will see crashes during light load. Personally i wouldn't' spend time running a stress test at a 16 mulit

so the only method for test stability at idle or light load with a negative offset it's do nothing and leave windows on desktop for some hours and try some web browsing? It's correct?
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Yes just use the computer. A crash would most likely happen within a short amount of time if your Idle vcore is unstable.
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Yes just use the computer. A crash would most likely happen within a short amount of time if your Idle vcore is unstable.

Thanks Lucky 23 after I'll post my idle and load vcore with the actual setting and after try with reduce gradually the offset.

regard benchmark do you recommend prime95 or occt? I love this last for the graphs after every run.

P.S. another question, what happen if I leave all C State enabled? actually I have only C1E on and rest off but since my goal it' a maximum OC of 4.4ghz I ask you if C3 and 6 can stay actived.

Update:
This is my idle and load vcore


I noticed that in load under Prime95 vcore fluctuates from 1.248 to 1.256v max, but in hwinfo before Prime test cpu reaches 1.272v
Edited by Stephen88 - 1/31/16 at 12:55pm
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Thanks Lucky 23 after I'll post my idle and load vcore with the actual setting and after try with reduce gradually the offset.

regard benchmark do you recommend prime95 or occt? I love this last for the graphs after every run.

P.S. another question, what happen if I leave all C State enabled? actually I have only C1E on and rest off but since my goal it' a maximum OC of 4.4ghz I ask you if C3 and 6 can stay actived.

Update:
This is my idle and load vcore


I noticed that in load under Prime95 vcore fluctuates from 1.248 to 1.256v max, but in hwinfo before Prime test cpu reaches 1.272v

Hello Stephen88,

Ok so you have an Idle 0.984v with a +0.005 offset. You can start decreasing your idle by changing offset to -0.005, -0.010, -0.015 etc.

I was not able to get under 0.976v with my 2500k but you can see how much more you can decrease it from 0.984v

When you decrease the offset voltage, your full load voltage will also decrease so you would need to increase turbo to keep the full load vcore at 1.248v.

I didn't use C3/C6 but you can always try enabling them once your OC is stable. Its mainly going to effect your system at idle as it puts the computer into a deep sleep.

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Hello Stephen88,

Ok so you have an Idle 0.984v with a +0.005 offset. You can start decreasing your idle by changing offset to -0.005, -0.010, -0.015 etc.

I was not able to get under 0.976v with my 2500k but you can see how much more you can decrease it from 0.984v

When you decrease the offset voltage, your full load voltage will also decrease so you would need to increase turbo to keep the full load vcore at 1.248v.

I didn't use C3/C6 but you can always try enabling them once your OC is stable. Its mainly going to effect your system at idle as it puts the computer into a deep sleep.

Hi Lucky 23 when I am at home I'll test, but for now I noticed that in low load usage vcore peak to 1.284 but during Prime or occt it down from 1.22~1.25, this is vdroop? I need to increase llc?

Update: Ok so with -0.005 crash immediately at windows boot, with previous setting after some hours of idle hwinfo has registered the lowest value of 0.976v this explains fail with negative offset.
Here instead is my VCore graph with OCCT @ 4.0ghz what do you think? before proceed for my ideal goal it's better set an LLC of Lv.4 or 3?


and my VID


and at last I have see that CHiL CHL9328 VR1 reaches over 80+ °C it's normal? instead VR2 about 30°C
Edited by Stephen88 - 2/1/16 at 10:14am
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

A +0.005 offset and +0.004 is just a starting point. Both your idle and full load seem high so try setting a negative offset to decrease your Vcore.

If this does not work then try decreasing the multiplier to 44

Also you should keep your temps around 85c during Prime 95.

Hi, I'm back.. I know I said Tomorrow but that didn't really happen but I have updates on my situation.

Today I started messing around with settings. You told me to try to lower my idle voltages through offset, so I started doing that.
I went down to an idle voltage of 0.952, using a -0.130 offset with +0.004V turbo and stock multiplier. I did not try a lower offset because I got scared to go lower haha.

After that I just increased the multiplier until the computer wouldn't get in to windows and peaked at a multiplier of 43, ran a 20minute prime with no errors/threats. Now I know that is not long enough but I will run a long test when I reach my 4.5.
Only problem I had here is the temperature of an average of 85C and peak at 91C, and a voltage of 1.232.

TL:DR Statistic:

Multi: 43
Offset: -0.130
Turbo: +0.004

Idle Volt: 0.952
Load Volt: 1.232

Idle Temp: 30C
Load Temp: Avg 85C, Peak 91C

I'll throw in an idle picture after the test Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I still have the thermal compound that came with the CPU when I bought it 3-4 years ago. Going to get that changed to hopefully get better temperatures.
I really want keep it at or below 1.250V at 4.5GHz, but don't know where to go from here. Just increase Turbo slightly?

Thanks a lot for your time, I just quoted you because you're the one who helped me in the beginning. <3
Edited by Cruward - 2/1/16 at 3:39pm
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Hi Lucky 23 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
when I am at home I'll test, but for now I noticed that in low load usage vcore peak to 1.284 but during Prime or occt it down from 1.22~1.25, this is vdroop? I need to increase llc?

[Update: Ok so with -0.005 crash immediately at windows boot, with previous setting after some hours of idle hwinfo has registered the lowest value of 0.976v this explains fail with negative offset.
Here instead is my VCore graph with OCCT @ 4.0ghz what do you think? before proceed for my ideal goal it's better set an LLC of Lv.4 or 3?


and my VID


and at last I have see that CHiL CHL9328 VR1 reaches over 80+ °C it's normal? instead VR2 about 30°C


Where are you seeing peak Vcore CPU-z or HWInfo?

You can try increasing your LLC. I ran mine at Level 3

What is CHiL CHL9328 VR1? Is this VRM Temp?
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Hi, I'm back.. I know I said Tomorrow but that didn't really happen but I have updates on my situation.

Today I started messing around with settings. You told me to try to lower my idle voltages through offset, so I started doing that.
I went down to an idle voltage of 0.952, using a -0.130 offset with +0.004V turbo and stock multiplier. I did not try a lower offset because I got scared to go lower haha.

After that I just increased the multiplier until the computer wouldn't get in to windows and peaked at a multiplier of 43, ran a 20minute prime with no errors/threats. Now I know that is not long enough but I will run a long test when I reach my 4.5.
Only problem I had here is the temperature of an average of 85C and peak at 91C, and a voltage of 1.232.

TL:DR Statistic:

Multi: 43
Offset: -0.130
Turbo: +0.004

Idle Volt: 0.952
Load Volt: 1.232

Idle Temp: 30C
Load Temp: Avg 85C, Peak 91C

I'll throw in an idle picture after the test Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I still have the thermal compound that came with the CPU when I bought it 3-4 years ago. Going to get that changed to hopefully get better temperatures.
I really want keep it at or below 1.250V at 4.5GHz, but don't know where to go from here. Just increase Turbo slightly?

Thanks a lot for your time, I just quoted you because you're the one who helped me in the beginning. <3

Hello Cruward,

Don't worry about how low the negative offset is. Just pay attention to the voltage for idle/full load and you will be fine. thumb.gif

What CPU cooler are you using again ?
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Cooler Master Eisberg 240L + 120mm Rad Koolance 3/8 x 1/2 Compression Fittings PrimoChill Advanced LRT Windows 7  
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Ubuntu 12.04 ASUS 24" Cooler Master Quickfire TK  Cooler Master V1000 
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Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition Cooler Master Havoc 
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i5-3210M  Intel HD Graphics 4000 Gskill 16GB 1600mhz  Crucial MX200 256GB 
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Seagate 320GB Ubuntu 16.04 Windows 10 1600x900 
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