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I am posting in this section of the forum in search for someone who can answer my question. I have posted this question several times as an additional question in some of my other threads and I have not received much feedback to it.

I am planning a major(not really) upgrade for my computer that will be done in parts. One of the parts includes replacing my currently Corsair ValueSelect 8Gb 1333 DDR3 RAM to Kingston T1 8Gb 1600 DDR3 RAM.

I have a question regarding my motherboard though. It is an ASUS p5p43td USB3 and it only supports 1600 Mhz in O.C. - as per motherboard specs.

When I initially got the Corsair Value select, my motherboard automatically set it to just 1066Mhz frequency and I had to manually adjust the bios settings (i now couldn't even remember how I did it since I just watched a youtube instruction video) in order for my ram to run at 1333Mhz.

I would like to know if in my current specs I can run my future 1600Mhz ram at 1600Mhz?The thing is, as per reading the intel website specs, the q6600 only is for 1066 frequency by default. If in case I need to reach 1600Mhz on my cpu would it be safe for my cpu? That is in a way a 2x step up from its originally 1066. I am not sure if I can even achieve that on my board.

I have read somewhere that the ram frequency cannot go over the cpu frequency. I am not sure on the validity of this information -- as this forums is for "overclock".net, I expected a lot of feedback on this topic from overclockers but unfortunately no one seemed to comment much on it.

It is obvious I am a supernoob regarding overclocking. You don't have to reiterate that in the replies.
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Good day!
I would like to know if in my current specs I can run my future 1600Mhz ram at 1600Mhz?The thing is, as per reading the intel website specs, the q6600 only is for 1066 frequency by default. If in case I need to reach 1600Mhz on my cpu would it be safe for my cpu? That is in a way a 2x step up from its originally 1066. I am not sure if I can even achieve that on my board.

You can run your RAM at 1600MHz if your motherboard lists that compatibility mode. In older chipsets the RAM controller is not on the CPU.
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I have read somewhere that the ram frequency cannot go over the cpu frequency. I am not sure on the validity of this information -- as this forums is for "overclock".net, I expected a lot of feedback on this topic from overclockers but unfortunately no one seemed to comment much on it.

Incorrect.
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It is obvious I am a supernoob regarding overclocking. You don't have to reiterate that in the replies.

Everybody starts somewhere.
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You can run your RAM at 1600MHz if your motherboard lists that compatibility mode. In older chipsets the RAM controller is not on the CPU.
Incorrect.
Everybody starts somewhere.

Thank you for the reply. So that means I can keep my cpu running at 333 bus and still be able to run my ram at 1600?

The board does list 1600 in compatibility but it does specifically say 1600 *OC* which would mean if i set it at 1600 it will be overclocking my board? Is that correct?

To be honest with you guys I don't really like to overclock. I wan't things to run at stock. But I don't want to buy ram that is rated 1600 on stock and then just run it at 1333 because my board only has 1333 in stock non oc setting.
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1. It's not hard, I learned by just going into my bios and messing around.

2. Yes you can go higher than 1600 because you can mess with the Ram multipliers, Not difficult. I have a q9400. It's 2.66 stock and 3.2ghz nowadays- That gives me about a 20% performance boost. Don't be afraid to overclock my friend. google what other people have done moderately and try it yourself
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1. It's not hard, I learned by just going into my bios and messing around.
2. Yes you can go higher than 1600 because you can mess with the Ram multipliers, Not difficult. I have a q9400. It's 2.66 stock and 3.2ghz nowadays- That gives me about a 20% performance boost. Don't be afraid to overclock my friend. google what other people have done moderately and try it yourself

Admittedly I am afraid of doing what you did really. Going into bios and messing around might break my board or worse other parts. I don't want to add a replacement board in the things I have to upgrade. Besides 775 is an old socket. Its lucky I even found a 4 slot ram board available from where I come from. All else are combo boards and mini boards. Don't really want to buy those.


Exact site specs for my motherboard says the following
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4 x240-pin DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR3 1600(O.C.)/1333/1066 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
* Supports one DIMM per channel only when overclocking to 1600MHz.

What does supports one DIMM per channel only when overclocking mean?
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Thank you for the reply. So that means I can keep my cpu running at 333 bus and still be able to run my ram at 1600?
The board does list 1600 in compatibility but it does specifically say 1600 *OC* which would mean if i set it at 1600 it will be overclocking my board? Is that correct?

It will be fine, the board is old and when it was manufactured 1600MHz would have needed a RAM overclock to reach. Since your RAM runs natively at 1600 there will be no overclock, just run it stock.
You don't overclock your board unless you increase your chipset operating frequency. What you are describing is overclocking your components.
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Admittedly I am afraid of doing what you did really. Going into bios and messing around might break my board or worse other parts. I don't want to add a replacement board in the things I have to upgrade. Besides 775 is an old socket. Its lucky I even found a 4 slot ram board available from where I come from. All else are combo boards and mini boards. Don't really want to buy those.
Exact site specs for my motherboard says the following
What does supports one DIMM per channel only when overclocking mean?

Rule of thumb: If you increase any setting but never touch your voltages you won't cause any damage, only system instability.
Your board might support "dual channel" memory operation which, for 1600MHz ram given the age of the system you are running, won't give you much of a performance boost even if it is on. I'm sure you have many other bottlenecks to consider. In your case each memory stick will operate independently at 1600MHz.
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Rule of thumb: If you increase any setting but never touch your voltages you won't cause any damage, only system instability.
Your board might support "dual channel" memory operation which, for 1600MHz ram given the age of the system you are running, won't give you much of a performance boost even if it is on. I'm sure you have many other bottlenecks to consider. In your case each memory stick will operate independently at 1600MHz.

This confused me : So I wont benefit with 1600 Ram so much. I really don't understand "1 DIMM per channel" my board is dual channel so does that mean if i run 1600 ram I can only use 2 sticks and not populate all 4 slots?

Here are the plans for my project.

Wave 1 > Buy new case - NZXT Phantom 410 to accommodate additions.

Wave 2 > Buy RAM - Kingston T1 8gb 1600Mhz (and new cpu cooler if needed to oc... apparently as you mentioned above - no need )

Wave 3 > Buy PSU if needed to accommodate video card.

Wave 4 > Buy video card -- possibly one of the new cards coming out midyear 2012.

Its a tight schedule with a tight budget. But I had thought of bottlenecks and I asked around... some informed me that I won't be getting bottlenecks just yet. Others tell me I will. Not sure.
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This confused me : So I wont benefit with 1600 Ram so much. I really don't understand "1 DIMM per channel" my board is dual channel so does that mean if i run 1600 ram I can only use 2 sticks and not populate all 4 slots?

You can use every slot, the "dual channel" will become "single channel."
My point wasn't that you won't benefit from 1600 RAM, but that you won't be affected by losing dual channel mode.
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You can use every slot, the "dual channel" will become "single channel."
My point wasn't that you won't benefit from 1600 RAM, but that you won't be affected by losing dual channel mode.

But I loose benefits of running dual channel if I use 4 sticks. I hope it will not be too much to ask why I will not be affected so much? frown.gif

In this case there is another concern ... which is better then ... running 4 sticks of 4Gb ram each of 1333Mhz in dual channel? Or running 4 sticks of 4Gb ram at 1600Mhz in single channel?
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