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Knowlege is power, guard it well. Those of us who have already been through the system and are currently at university or even have a job will suffer from this if some of our skills become common knowledge to the masses.

Then you would have to learn something else and when that becomes common knowledge to the masses then you learn something else and it just goes on and on and on like that. If this does happen then things will advance then ??? then profit.

My ICT teacher at college said the ICT is pointless because everything we learn will become obsolete within 3-5 years, the only reason I am doing it is because if I don't then I will fail the whole course.
    
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I know nothing about your (UK) educational system, but am now fascinated. lol The US needs more tech literacy classes of any sorts.... the average user is.... pathetic. tongue.gif
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I think ICT in schools does need some much beefing up, however it should not be taken to science levels that you get in college. That should remain for college.
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'Bout time.

Having had school ICT lessons between 1999 and 2010, i can say it's an absolute bloody mess.

First of all it's not standardised, so one school might use one word processor, and then the school after it might use another completely different one. This isn't so much of a problem as it used to be now that most use word though, but before 2003 I had never used word, and only used the one that my school had showed me to use, which was nothing like it. It took me a while to get the hang of word because of that. I doubt these changes will fix it, it could even make it worse if schools all pick different programming languages.

It's also far too easy, but also irrelevant. It teaches features of excel that nobody will ever use, and for weeks would just hang around going in depth into things that didn't matter. Once you have the very basics of word and powerpoint, which can be grasped quickly (I'd say a term), you don't need any more. Also, what's to say that MS office will still be the industry standard in 10 years time?

Locking down the computers onto school networks doesn't help either. It doesn't teach the basics of actually using windows. When i was 15 we had a girl in my class who didn't even know how to uninstall a program, and she had been using computers for as long as i had. School networks are too heavily filtered, proprietary and non standard. Teach stuff that kids will need to know, like installing stuff, hdd space, and stuff like that very early on so that it sticks with them, it's just as important as word in the long run.

As for programming, I can't say whether or not its a good idea or not, since I've never done it before I dont know how hard it is. I wish they had taught it to me though, since i will be learning it soon. The closest thing to programming we ever did at school was the turtle thing (can't remember what it's called).
     
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Knowlege is power, guard it well. Those of us who have already been through the system and are currently at university or even have a job will suffer from this if some of our skills become common knowledge to the masses.
Knowledge is easily aquired, understanding is power.

If you already have the knowledge, you are already ahead. As more people gain knowledge, they can you do your old job as you go on to lead them or do more important things.
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I can firmly say, that after my experience with ICT during high school, and my ICT AVCE in college, that this brings a tear to my eye.

Technology is seriously important for our future and getting kids to be able to get their heads around the actual science of what is behind the tech they use is WAY more important for future growth than creating masses of powerpoint/word/excel capable lemmings.
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post #17 of 24
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ICT is fine how it currently is, the general population don't need to know how to program things or perform other advanced functions. If someone wants to go into the IT industry they can specialise at A-level and University.


What you "need" and what you "really need" are two different things.  Calculus isn't used extensively in engineering, believe it or not, for most of the engineering applications out there, but instead it is used primarily to make the course hard.  We want the best of the best in the field.

 

The same probably goes here as well.  Bring in a difficult course that is highly focused on creativity and you just pass better people.

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I skipped A-Level ICT and did computing. I didn't do that well academically, but it started to give me that itch to break things, take them apart, try and change how they work etc... that got me interested in PC's... helped me decide what to do in Uni and now landed me in a very well paid job in central London as a technical analyst for a software company smile.gif

So, yes, it may be unnecessary, but it can help get more people involved!
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I did ICT at GCSE and A-level, Yes we only ever learn Microsoft office suite / adobe suite, its enough, and enough people struggled with it
every time html was mentioned the class couldn't hand it!

but then I went to uni and am studying computer science, and after 2 months you have learnt as much as you would by doing computer science over two years at a-level.
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I have done IT at GCSE and am currently doing it at A level.

The coursework is done using office and adobe applications. The class i'm in did ok at the web design task. It was my first introduction to CSS - I started with no knowledge of it, now i feel quite comfortable with it.
Two of my friends really did well at that task due to their knowledge of HTML, CSS, Php, SQL etc. They have even made a social networking website that we use at school. It's got a few features facebook doesn't have
such as a "dislike" button, random facts and animated GIF's for profile pictures.

I'm currently debating whether to go to university. I love the hardware side of IT and am not sure whether a degree is needed for a hardware based job.

Teaching programming languages at schools is a great way to show people how the websites they work everyday using languages such as PHP or how apps are made. I believe they should start from a young age (middle school) using simple languages such as VB and gradually moving on to more complex languages. More practical aspects could also be added. E.g when teaching parts of a computer, open up a computer and physically show students.
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