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Hey so I'm a bit of a AMD man myself, but my buddy's rig he prefers nvidia. He's practically a tech jynx, could drop him in the middle east behind enemy lines, and all their crap would just start falling apart in their hands. So I do all the work on it for him.

He's looking to drop some money to upgrade his video cards, and I'm not as versed in Nvidia cards as I am AMD. Not looking to have this turn into a AMD vs Nvidia thread. He's had no real issues with gpu power, it's the flash conflict which is driving him crazy. Something about Nvidia did a driver update which screwed over the old 8XXX/9XXX gpu's and they never fixed it. I'm aware of the crossfire hack that I could probably get running down the road, but he's not interested.

The main modern games he plays are Battlefield 3, Skyrim and Civ 5, and will run Mass Effect 3 when it comes out. Running at 1920x1200

So this is his rig:
Phenom II X6 1090T @ 3.8Ghz (could hit 4+, but he's not doing anything with it that would result in a drastic improvement)
ASUS M4N75TD (SLI Mobo)
16gb's Patriot Sector 5
Dual 9800GTX+'s in SLI
700W PSU (can't remember brand, it was over a year ago I put it in)

I'm looking at the 560 Ti as a viable upgrade, and keeping one of the 9800GTX+ cards in to offload physx. Using Toms Hardware "Graphica Heirarchy Chart" I figured it's not a terrible card in a decent price range. It's rated higher than the 5850, which I ran solo for over a year and can hold 50+ fps on high in BF3 on my rig, which is more eye candy that he currently has, and he should be free of the sli/crossfire issues that Skyrim is known for. This also leaves him with the ability to SLI the two cards later and get a solid performance increase when it's needed.

If it's agreed that this card should work for him, I was looking between these two.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti Fermi 900MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI Mini HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card
and
ASUS GeForce GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II Fermi 830MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI Mini HDMI PCI-E Video Card

The Gigabyte is clocked higher, and based on reviews is stable at those clocks/overclocked after a bios update. However the Asus has reviews stating it hits 950-970/2100 with a minor bump in voltage @ about 60C, and no bios issues, and the cooler looks like it does a better job.

I don't know either of these cards from adam, so some input would be appreciated. Price range is about $250 CAD, likely could go a bit higher, but it would have to be worth it, and he's a bit of a tightwad when it comes to spending money.
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GTX 560 Ti 2GB is good to go for 2-3 years to come + he can SLI down the road.

EDIT: The 1GB version will be able to do just fine, just that the filtering option might push the memory usage over 1GB. So he'll have to not max everything.
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Did not know there was a 2gb option. That was what I was hoping for, as I run 1gb video memory, and I can tell that it's holding me back.
This is the only card I've found thus far, mess of 1.2/1.3gb card's which seems silly to me, and they cost an absurd amount more.
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II OC 880MHZ 2GB 4GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI Mini HDMI PCI-E Video Card
Only issue I have with this card is I haven't found any reviews of it so far, will do some digging.
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I have the exact same card that you linked.

It reach 933Mhz with a slight voltage bump.
950 with some more voltage and 1000 with 1.12v.

So far it runs everything I throw at it and it's amazing.
I've ran it single GPU for a few days so I'm not biased from SLI.
It ran BF3 much better than my old GTX 560 Ti 1GB

EDIT : In BF3, I've seen usage of 1.6Gb+ of Vram.
post #5 of 16
That's an excellent upgrade choice. The 560 Ti is a fantastic card, especially for the money. It is a close rival of the 6950.

I don't think it's worthwhile to keep a 9800GTX+ for PhysX as none of the games you listed use NVIDIA PhysX (not certain about ME3, but I doubt it). In fact, there are very few games that do use it, making the whole PhysX thing more of a gimmick than a must-have gaming essential. If there are one or two PhysX games he would be playing, the 560 Ti is no slouch and would be able to handle it. Also, if he will be looking to OC, having that second slot needlessly occupied with the 9800GTX+ will most likely cause higher temps.

I currently have the DCII 580 and it's running as cool as my MSI Lightning (Twin Frozr III, arguably the best cooler) used to. I think more people have experience with that than the Gigabyte design. Also, I can't say about GIGABYTE's customer service, but ASUS does have a pretty good reputation for it. I'd personally recommend the DCII.

The Twin Frozrs are awesome cards. I'd go for it. Newegg.ca has a TFIII for a little less than that (and no need to worry about rebates), but if 1GB RAM will be a limiting factor for him, it might be worth it.
Edited by Faraz - 1/12/12 at 1:54pm
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I was thinking about the lack of games that support physx, and leaving the slot empty when he doesn't need it. And dropping the card in when he's going to spend more time playing physx games. The reason the Twin Frozr II is more expensive because it's the 2GB model, not the 1GB model you linked too.
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As stated earlier, it's sad but there really is a lack of physx supporting games. The only one I know of is Batman. He'd be better off just selling both and SLI-ing down the road.

What res were you getting 50+ fps on your 5850 in BF3 on high? I find it too laggy if I game on anything over Medium at 1920x1200 on my GTX 560...
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Originally Posted by Doomtomb View Post

As stated earlier, it's sad but there really is a lack of physx supporting games. The only one I know of is Batman. He'd be better off just selling both and SLI-ing down the road.
What res were you getting 50+ fps on your 5850 in BF3 on high? I find it too laggy if I game on anything over Medium at 1920x1200 on my GTX 560...

Well he's a huge fan of the STALKER game line, and will soon be delving into Metro2033/Last Light. So I figure it couldn't hurt.
1920x1080, overclocked to 950/1250, now that I have two in crossfire it does 70+ on ultra on the original maps, though B2K gives me some grief, and I've had to modify the settings a bit..
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On a single 560 Ti 1Gb I was able to run BF3 with a mixture of high and ultra settings with low filtering options.
I'd say it would always be over 30 FPS.
You must watch your Vram usage. If it's 1Gb flush, lower something else.
That way you should have a stutter-free gameplay.
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Originally Posted by Abs.exe View Post

On a single 560 Ti 1Gb I was able to run BF3 with a mixture of high and ultra settings with low filtering options.
I'd say it would always be over 30 FPS.
You must watch your Vram usage. If it's 1Gb flush, lower something else.
That way you should have a stutter-free gameplay.

Whats your AA settings? I don't have it on, the 58XX really doesn't like AA on bf3, but 16xAF is a must for when I play, I don't play if it's lower. But my 1GB memory is pretty solid with settings cranked, looking for 2GB's vmemory next upgrade.
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