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Originally Posted by DevilDriver View Post

Just to let you all know, I contacted Primochill about my tubing. They got back to me and said in there testing it's not the tubing but another component in the loop causing the issue. They are working on a solution to the problem and have an additive they are sending me to add to my loop to see if it clears the tubing up. Once I get the additive I will report back here and let you all know how it goes as well as email them back to provide input on there additive.

This rings far too close to the way EK handled the nickel flaking. Adding anything to a loop compromises performance, and for all we know, that "additive" primochill is referring to could end up gunking those lovely micropins we all have in our loops. mad.gif

Steer clear of that additive from your main loop at all cost!
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This rings far too close to the way EK handled the nickel flaking. Adding anything to a loop compromises performance, and for all we know, that "additive" primochill is referring to could end up gunking those lovely micropins we all have in our loops. mad.gif
Steer clear of that additive from your main loop at all cost!

Well I figure I have nothing to loose. My nice loop with less than 3 mo's actual usage is clouded bad. If it works, great. If not I tear the loop down, clean every thing and set it back up.
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Just to let you all know, I contacted Primochill about my tubing. They got back to me and said in there testing it's not the tubing but another component in the loop causing the issue. They are working on a solution to the problem and have an additive they are sending me to add to my loop to see if it clears the tubing up. Once I get the additive I will report back here and let you all know how it goes as well as email them back to provide input on there additive.

This rings far too close to the way EK handled the nickel flaking. Adding anything to a loop compromises performance, and for all we know, that "additive" primochill is referring to could end up gunking those lovely micropins we all have in our loops. mad.gif

Steer clear of that additive from your main loop at all cost!

Yeah... ummmmm no. nono.gif

People use additives all the time with no loss in performance or gunking up the loop.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen occasionally just that you're droppin no knowledge here and claiming it as fact. We don't even know what the additive is and whether PC intends to use it in the manufacturing process or include it with every roll of tubing from here on out. So please don't jump the gun until there is something definitive one way or the other. smile.gif

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Yeah... ummmmm no. nono.gif
People use additives all the time with no loss in performance or gunking up the loop.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen occasionally just that you're droppin no knowledge here and claiming it as fact. We don't even know what the additive is and whether PC intends to use it in the manufacturing process or include it with every roll of tubing from here on out. So please don't jump the gun until there is something definitive one way or the other. smile.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Thank you for your input Ceadderman! Personally IMOP if PrimoChill says they are looking into the issue and may have a resolution, I'm willing to try it.
It's better than them ignoring the issue completely and saying its not there fault, not there problem, tough luck.
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There's no way it's not the tubing. If it was something else, ALL tubing would do it regardless of anything, but the fact is there are certain tubes out there that just don't leech plasticizer.
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Why risk using this additive? It's a pain but just switch out your tubing. It costs less than $10 for Durelene and MasterKleer
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... If Primochill believes its not he tubes but the rest of the components, how do you believe that they will get unstuck of this idea if nobody checks their solution?

OF COURSE. and the customer should not be the beta tester, BUT at this stage i cannot see any other solution to persuade these guys to search deaper...

If we believe its the tubes and the tube manufacturers believe its the rest of the components and we do not cooperate to find a solution, then no solution will be found... ever!

And let me repeat again, it should never be the customer who beta tests the products he buys, but at this stage, i really have no other idea that would work.

Unfortunately i havent found the time to check my 7 month old primochill lrt uv blue and black tubes, to support this thread with my feedback as well.
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... If Primochill believes its not he tubes but the rest of the components, how do you believe that they will get unstuck of this idea if nobody checks their solution?
OF COURSE. and the customer should not be the beta tester, BUT at this stage i cannot see any other solution to persuade these guys to search deaper...
If we believe its the tubes and the tube manufacturers believe its the rest of the components and we do not cooperate to find a solution, then no solution will be found... ever!
And let me repeat again, it should never be the customer who beta tests the products he buys, but at this stage, i really have no other idea that would work.
Unfortunately i havent found the time to check my 7 month old primochill lrt uv blue and black tubes, to support this thread with my feedback as well.

I'd love if they came out and told us "hey this is the problem, this is what is happening, and this is how we are fixing it". But all they are doing is sending him an additive with no scientific explanation about the materials at work
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... If Primochill believes its not he tubes but the rest of the components, how do you believe that they will get unstuck of this idea if nobody checks their solution?
OF COURSE. and the customer should not be the beta tester, BUT at this stage i cannot see any other solution to persuade these guys to search deaper...
If we believe its the tubes and the tube manufacturers believe its the rest of the components and we do not cooperate to find a solution, then no solution will be found... ever!
And let me repeat again, it should never be the customer who beta tests the products he buys, but at this stage, i really have no other idea that would work.
Unfortunately i havent found the time to check my 7 month old primochill lrt uv blue and black tubes, to support this thread with my feedback as well.

I redid my Primochill with a new batch in late May. Still clear...compared to when I redid back in December/January and it clouded to opaque in 2 days. I'm prone to thinking they either fixed the recipe, or people bought or are using older batches.
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There's no way it's not the tubing. If it was something else, ALL tubing would do it regardless of anything, but the fact is there are certain tubes out there that just don't leech plasticizer.

Well there is other tubing in this thread that have had the same problems that Primochill tubing has been having, this is not just a Primochill problem. Then MBO, I believe, had improved how long his Primochill tubing lasted from rad flushes with vinegar. So something has changed, be it the tubing, the rads, the blocks, and something isn't playing nice in our loops.
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... If Primochill believes its not he tubes but the rest of the components, how do you believe that they will get unstuck of this idea if nobody checks their solution?

OF COURSE. and the customer should not be the beta tester, BUT at this stage i cannot see any other solution to persuade these guys to search deaper...

If we believe its the tubes and the tube manufacturers believe its the rest of the components and we do not cooperate to find a solution, then no solution will be found... ever!

And let me repeat again, it should never be the customer who beta tests the products he buys, but at this stage, i really have no other idea that would work.

Unfortunately i havent found the time to check my 7 month old primochill lrt uv blue and black tubes, to support this thread with my feedback as well.

In most cases I would agree about us not beta testing, but the problem is there is a lot of different brands of stuff out there and this would be very, very hard for them to solve on their own. I'm guessing they have been able to reproduce the problems on their own and what ever this stuff is helped or solved it in their shop. So now they are hoping it will help in other systems. Now my main concern is how will this stuff react with other stuff we put in our loops, dyes, PT Nuke, coolants, ect, ect. Then there is how much will it cost the customers to buy it. Finally is it a real fix or a band aid that will vary from system to system.
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