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post #1331 of 3087
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Originally Posted by feniks View Post

just to update. it's been a little over 12 hours with primochill system scrubber in the loop and most (if not all) of the whitish residue is already gone from tubing walls. last night I shook the reservoir a little and saw tiny yellowish/whitish flakes in water, so I guess it's working well. I will keep it until Sunday 6-7pm and drain it out (and then refill with distilled water and drain again).

So when will Primochill include this system scrubber so all of us can have a powder free loop or is it still in testing?
post #1332 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Systemlord View Post

So when will Primochill include this system scrubber so all of us can have a powder free loop or is it still in testing?

I don't see Primochill making this readily available. That would be admitting thee is a problem, something they seem to refuse to do. I am, frankly, surprised they did anything at all. Their response to date to most people is that it is not their fault, therefore, not their problem, no matter what evidence is provided.
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post #1333 of 3087
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So when will Primochill include this system scrubber so all of us can have a powder free loop or is it still in testing?

or you need to do is cut open one small section of tubing, take a pic, upload somewhere and send a link to Primochill via Contact form on their website with short description of problem. they will send you the system scrubber for free (of course they will deny all fault on their side and offer the sys scrubber as a token of good will ha ha!).
post #1334 of 3087
I don't even know where to start... today I spent a few long hours on draining the system from sys scrubber aftermath (all water became whitish clouded, no longer transparent after 4 days of use) ...

anyways, despite the extreme problems with draining of my loop, I discovered a few disturbing things:
1) water + silver kill coil became white in the loop after 4 days of sys scrubber use, also it was foamy when drained like there was soap in it (probably was)
2) 2 sections of tubing, one long other super short, did NOT get scrubbed, so I replaced the long one with new piece and scrubber the short one manually (ran out of new long enough tubing by now) - that is NOT A GOOD SIGN
3) I flushed most of components (except new pump and new EX360 - both hard to remove and even harder to re-install) under hot tap water and to my dread I discovered 2 small blobs of blue gel that came out of my Raystorm CPU block!
4) I will NEVER use Primochill again, to hell with them! if that is not plasticizer seeping, I don't know what that is, but it created sediment in the loop which deposits in blocks most likely (my Raystorm did) and all the system scrubber can do with it is gelify or liquify that sediment, but mind that water flow of loop will NOT remove it - it still needs to get flushed with hot tap water (or disassemble the block)
5) my formerly "dirty" silver kill coil was looking fresh and brand new today, so the system scrubber did clean it in process. Either way I removed the coil from system entirely and decided not to use silver anymore. Instead I injected Primochill Utopia (3mL) into the fresh refilled loop and will see how it goes from there.

either way it's a FAIL.

Does anybody know any other UV blue tubing 1/2'' x 3/4'' which is free of that darn problem? mad.gif
post #1335 of 3087
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Originally Posted by feniks View Post

I don't even know where to start... today I spent a few long hours on draining the system from sys scrubber aftermath (all water became whitish clouded, no longer transparent after 4 days of use) ...
anyways, despite the extreme problems with draining of my loop, I discovered a few disturbing things:
1) water + silver kill coil became white in the loop after 4 days of sys scrubber use, also it was foamy when drained like there was soap in it (probably was)
2) 2 sections of tubing, one long other super short, did NOT get scrubbed, so I replaced the long one with new piece and scrubber the short one manually (ran out of new long enough tubing by now) - that is NOT A GOOD SIGN
3) I flushed most of components (except new pump and new EX360 - both hard to remove and even harder to re-install) under hot tap water and to my dread I discovered 2 small blobs of blue gel that came out of my Raystorm CPU block!
4) I will NEVER use Primochill again, to hell with them! if that is not plasticizer seeping, I don't know what that is, but it created sediment in the loop which deposits in blocks most likely (my Raystorm did) and all the system scrubber can do with it is gelify or liquify that sediment, but mind that water flow of loop will NOT remove it - it still needs to get flushed with hot tap water (or disassemble the block)
5) my formerly "dirty" silver kill coil was looking fresh and brand new today, so the system scrubber did clean it in process. Either way I removed the coil from system entirely and decided not to use silver anymore. Instead I injected Primochill Utopia (3mL) into the fresh refilled loop and will see how it goes from there.
either way it's a FAIL.
Does anybody know any other UV blue tubing 1/2'' x 3/4'' which is free of that darn problem? mad.gif

God!!!!!! From BAD to Worse with this Company.. I myself will never buy from them again. After what happened in my tubing and reading your story. I cant recommend any tubing but clear Durelene now..
post #1336 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Hanoverfist View Post

God!!!!!! From BAD to Worse with this Company.. I myself will never buy from them again. After what happened in my tubing and reading your story. I cant recommend any tubing but clear Durelene now..

yeah, what happened could turn out into a disaster if I didn't flush the components after draining them ... for sure I won't buy Primoflex ever again ... but I might give a shot to 2 other brands carrying UV Blue (I like it), either Feser tubing or Danger Den DreamFlex ... hopefully they are better than PrimoCrap.
for now I will keep the loop as is and keep observing the tubing from time to time, any sign of residue coming back or water changing color, I will throw it all to garbage, I swear.
post #1337 of 3087
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Originally Posted by kkorky View Post

Here is my contribution to the Primochill farce,
I used:
PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT Tubing UV Blue 13/10mm
Distilled Water
Kill coil
Mayhem's Extreme (Bio)


I run my rig 24/7, and the tubing was purchased at the end of April.
I stripped my rig 2 days ago and the photos below clearly show the severe plasticizer problem that i had by using Primochill,the reservoir and fittings also had some plasticizer deposits, but very mild compared to my blocks and tubing- It must be noted that from May up until now i had changed the water and flushed the system 3 times (i like to change my water every 2 months or so).
I have ordered Duralene from the Sidewinder guys, but in the meanwhile, until it arrives, i am using some old Feser TFC UV clear i had ordered about a year ago but never used-cause i use my pc for work amongst other things.
I would post some pics of the TFC tubing when i get the Duralene installed, but it may not be long enough to have any severe problems as did the Primochill 'Tubing"-we'll see when the time comes.
Enjoy the Horror Show smile.gif
Plasticizer with a blue tinge in my Vid Card block

Another shot of the block with plasticizer deposits

Tubing cut open to reveal severe plasticizer deposits (note at the top unused Blue UV Primochill-what a difference!!)

Feser TFC UV Clear that im using until the Duralene arrives


UPDATE:

I have ordered 100ft of duralene 13/10 mm tubing (might sell some on ebay lol just kidding smile.gif)
Since the day of my last post, i've been running my loop using:

Feser UV clear Tubing
Distilled Water
Kill coil
Mayhem's Extreme (Bio)
Mayhems Blue Dye (3 drops to achieve the blue tubing effect)

Have a look at the photos (excuse the quality, i have not got round to using the advice from this excellent guide:http://www.overclock.net/t/912437/how-to-photograph-your-rig)

So far there has been absolutely no sign of clouding/powdery deposits etc-i have been running my rig 24/7.

Don't get me wrong, this is not an endorsement for the above products, but rather, more proof that Primochill is the weak link in the so called Plasticizer problem-granted that the time period is not long, but by now, if i were still using Primochill, it would have started to cloud.

REMEMBER, THE FESER UV CLEAR IS NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR DUE TO IT'S UV CAPABILITIES-but trust me when i say that the tubing is 100% deposit free.
I have even tried the trusty 'pinch test' to see if any marks are left on the inside of the tubing.







BTW:

@ Feniks: i just came across this product sold by specialtech on Ebay -it seems to be very similar to Primochill's sys scrubber-i cant make out the products name because the photo is not clear -seems to be a generic no name brand imho).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pc-look-Cleaning-Agent-SysClean-HPD-50ml-/320924911126?pt=UK_Computing_Water_Cooling&hash=item4ab89d8616

So has Primochill copied this product? Or is it the other way around? Either way mate, i personally dont like the idea of running such highly abrasive liquids through my rig-just my 2 cents worth to the Plasticizer problem that we face.

With regards to UV blue tubing, you could try the feser uv clear with mayhem's blue dye as i have (see photos for UV effect-again please excuse the amateurish shots, they have been posted as a form of reference as opposed to showing off my rig-that shall come after i read the 'how to' post) or, get Duralene, and add Mayhems uv blue, or make ur own uv blue using UV clear & blue (both from Mayhem's)








Edited by kkorky - 9/3/12 at 11:40am
post #1338 of 3087
kkorky, how long was it with feser tubing in 24/7 use, I can't see the date of former post of yours? condition of it is hard to tell from pics, but I trust your word.
my rig is running 24/7 as well, and I am actually seriously considering Feser tubing in near future, something tells me that German quality control might be a win on this one smile.gif
Primochill failed me in as little as 6 weeks (probably less, but I hadn't noticed the problem until then).

Please post the Feser tubing cut open once you decide to replace it with Duralene, I would be interested in seeing its inside walls.
post #1339 of 3087
Ive just provided UV photos(ive also updated the post) the tubing has been in use for 2+wks, but again i stress, that i have used Primochill clear in the past, and the blue LRT that you can see, and BOTH started showing initial signs of clouding after 1+wks, that is not the case with the feser tubing so far-hardly conclusive, but it's still something that can be used as a yardstick.
As for when i get and install the duralene, ofc i will cut the feser open and post photos thumb.gif
Edited by kkorky - 9/3/12 at 11:48am
post #1340 of 3087
Thanks!

I am actually googling and binging the internet and can't really find any negative reviews on feser tubing getting clouded or covered with anything (unless dyes were used, some staining might occur). it's a good sign smile.gif
On other hand I found similar poor reviews of DangerDen DreamFlex tubing (clouding, plasticizer seeping) as for Primoflex... I guess I will get some Feser UV Blue tubing and keep it handy for when the time comes ...
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