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post #1341 of 3087
Trial and error is the only way imo, but one thing i know for sure is that Promochill has problems.
-btw, one last bit of info, the Feser tubing is stiffer than the Primochill tubing, which would possibly denote less of that chemical that may be responsible for plasticizer leeching/seeping, whilst at the same time making the tubing softer in certain other types of tubing such as Primochill.
Edited by kkorky - 9/3/12 at 12:11pm
post #1342 of 3087
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Originally Posted by kkorky View Post

Trial and error is the only way imo, but one thing i know for sure is that Promochill has problems.
-btw, one last bit of info, the Feser tubing is stiffer than the Primochill tubing, which would possibly denote less of that chemical that may be responsible for plasticizer leeching/seeping, whilst at the same time making the tubing softer in certain other types of tubing such as Primochill.

yeah, I agree. time will tell. I am getting 10ft (~3m) of Feser UV Blue 1/2''x3/4'' along with a decent tube cutter (god, I'm fed up of using titanium scissors!) from Sidewinder Computers. decided to ditch Primoflex before problems come back.
I don't mind working with a little stiffer tubing if that is what it takes to never see the plasticizer leeching problem again.

thanks for all your posts, it helps!

EDIT: left you a rep+ for former post with lots of pics smile.gif thanks!
Edited by feniks - 9/3/12 at 12:49pm
post #1343 of 3087
Thanx for the +rep much appreciated, but my drive behind the posts/pics is to do the same that others did for me in this forum when i was first starting out in WC and i didn't have a clue what was what!
90% of my info/advice on how to build a WC rig came from other posters such as yourself, so i'm just doing my bit to keep the ball rolling, whilst at the same time helping to keep the companies that make WC products on their toes because their products are already very expensive, so the least they could do, is sell quality products & admit their shortcomings, when wrong.
Water and electricity in the same confined space-yea right, that's for nerds, and people who have no life-how wrong i was ....................wink.gif
Edited by kkorky - 9/3/12 at 1:17pm
post #1344 of 3087
Just a little update from me, no plasticizer on the tygon silver tubing even after a few months. Stiff as hell though.

Has anyone discovered any clear tubing with no clouding yet?
post #1345 of 3087
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Just a little update from me, no plasticizer on the tygon silver tubing even after a few months. Stiff as hell though.
Has anyone discovered any clear tubing with no clouding yet?

Durelene from Sidewinders.com
post #1346 of 3087
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I don't see Primochill making this readily available. That would be admitting thee is a problem, something they seem to refuse to do. I am, frankly, surprised they did anything at all. Their response to date to most people is that it is not their fault, therefore, not their problem, no matter what evidence is provided.

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or you need to do is cut open one small section of tubing, take a pic, upload somewhere and send a link to Primochill via Contact form on their website with short description of problem. they will send you the system scrubber for free (of course they will deny all fault on their side and offer the sys scrubber as a token of good will ha ha!).

So I'll buy some Primochill tubing and soak it in distilled water for a few days and show the white powder coating then get my system scrubber, boy what a way to do business!

Well if they openly admit there is something wrong with their tubing there would be a massive storm of customer's demanding their money back, I imagine Primochill will fix the issue sooner or later and then deny that there was ever a problem.

It's unbelievable the arrogance that some of these small LC shops have, if they want people to continue to buy their tubing they better do something about their problem, or wait a minute there is nothing wrong with Primochills tubing! rolleyes.gif
Edited by Systemlord - 9/5/12 at 12:16am
post #1347 of 3087
I'll be shutting the system down later in the week to lapp the CPU. While it's down I'll be checking my tubing out to see how it looks. Not that it would matter much but after seeing that GPU block, I want to check the inside of my CPU block to see if there are any issues I need to be aware of. I doubt I'm going to have any trouble since this loop has never seen a Silver killcoil, but one never knows til one does the maintenance and gives it the ole thrice over. smile.gif

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post #1348 of 3087
FURTHER UPDATE

I had also sent Primochill a link to my original post, and i got a reply:


Hello K,
Sorry for the late reply been a little crazy with the holiday and short work week.

We are sorry that you are having issues with our tubing. I can assure you that we are aware of the situation and have been working to get it resolved as quickly as possible. We have looked at your post and have a couple simple questions.

Can you tell us all of the components that you used when you had this problem? Fluid, Radiators, Pumps, Fitting etc.
Can you tell us how quickly the "white film" showed up?

Since your tubing is all sliced up, the "scrubber" will not work as intended. But it might up clean up the blocks and other components in the system, if soaking them is an option.

Please let us know what you would like us to you, so we can make sure that your are taking care of and the opinion you might have about PrimoChill is not weighing on you.

Again sorry for the delay, in getting back to you.

Regards,
Brian




Ok, my opinion on the issue at the moment, is that Primochill are finally starting to come around and PARTIALLY accept responsibility-granted they have not stated that directly because, that would open up a can of worms for them, but at least they have not denied culpability either. That in my eyes is a positive, albeit small, nevertheless a positive start.

To be honest, i dont know if i can be bothered to actually list my loop, since there is nothing really that i want from them-APART FROM DECENT TUBING THAT DOES IT'S JOB -IE RECTIFY THE PROBLEM, which they claim to be working on.

They have rightly (in a damage control, customer service manner) asked what i would like to be done so i would be somewhat compensated for the faulty tubing, again another plus.
With regards to using the scrubber, i have posted my opinion earlier, stating my view on using such 'solutions', no way!

So, imho, we should just keep the CONSTRUCTIVE pressure on Primochill, with a view to both sides coming out winners in the end-they make their money, and in return we get tubing that does it's job properly; sending off to the States for Durelene is such an expensive option.

-i'll keep you guys up to date.

BTW: The feser tubing that im using is still crystal clear, no signs of anything what so ever-kind of makes me regret ordering Durelene, but who knows, i may wake up tomorrow and see the first signs of deposit problems, time will tell smile.gif

Finally, i have also been given a few litres of Water for injections(NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SALINE SOLUTION), this is even more 'sterile' than Distilled water-overkill sure tongue.gif, but it was given for free, so who am i to say no -i'll use it in my next tube change (apparently its only 1 euro per litre)


Edited by kkorky - 9/5/12 at 6:43am
post #1349 of 3087
^interesting.

I notified Primochill about my experience with flushing the loop post system scrubber use on yesterday morning. Had no reply from Brian as of yet.
will see, anyways, Primochill has lost me as a customer for good, sadly (I liked that brand!) ... will see how it goes with Feser for me, next weekend will be rebuilding my loop (and flushing all components again), hopefully it works out, because the process is very tiresome for me ...
post #1350 of 3087
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^interesting.
I notified Primochill about my experience with flushing the loop post system scrubber use on yesterday morning. Had no reply from Brian as of yet.
will see, anyways, Primochill has lost me as a customer for good, sadly (I liked that brand!) ... will see how it goes with Feser for me, next weekend will be rebuilding my loop (and flushing all components again), hopefully it works out, because the process is very tiresome for me ...


Sorry to hear that you have to go through that 'routine' again, but it shouldn't be that hard, get Q-tips and do your fittings, same for the innards of your blocks-if the blocks are tarnished-ketchup lol!

The powdery substance actually comes off very easily, as for my rads, i used trusty hot tap water.

I ran the water for about 1/2 hr through the rads (water-bill is going to kill this month), then i flushed out with 2 gallons of De-ionized(cheaper than Distilled water) water i had lying about then i used Distilled water for the final two flushes.

Pump i used q-tips, and the reservoir is self explanatory.
Edited by kkorky - 9/5/12 at 8:49am
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