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So it seems I brought out all kinda people having my problem. Kinda makes me feel better, to be honest.
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Reading the details of this tubing it says it's "Anti-Microbial". What makes it anti-microbial? Is the inside of the tubing coated with this anti-microbial stuff?

If you are referring to Danger Den tubing the "Anti-Microbial" is molded in when the tubing is formed.

Click on Features tab.
Edited by Systemlord - 2/10/12 at 5:10pm
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Reading the details of this tubing it says it's "Anti-Microbial". What makes it anti-microbial? Is the inside of the tubing coated with this anti-microbial stuff?

If you are referring to Danger Den tubing the "Anti-Microbial" is molded in when the tubing is formed.

Click on Features tab.

I'm pretty sure that the PC LRT Tubing is also anti-microbial. Since this is the case maybe on some of the fails it's user error by using PT Nuke in a line that already has anti-microbials involved. Kind of like taking one french fry that comes with the correct amount of ketchup pre-applied and then covering it with even more of the stuff. It's gonna inevitably be a soggy mess in short order.

Sorry if this example isn't the best, it's what I could come up with at the spur of the moment. tongue.gif

Basically, unless you know the amount of Algaecide used in these tubings it's probably not a good idea to add more, just try to reduce the amount of natural light your system sees with clear tubing. Whereas if you have a dark tube like Black, you don't want to leave it where natural sunlight will contribute to the heat build up in the lines. They use black for solar displays for a reason. It's not for its reflective properties. I don't know about the White tubing but I suppose I'm going to find out though. Another thought I had was that anti-corrosion additives may have a negative effect on the algaecide preloaded into the tubing. So it's something to be aware of. I'm not saying don't use the stuff, just to be aware that the levels used may need to be worked out to lessen the speed at which the tubing clouds.

The Watts tubing clouding however sounds to me like environmental clouding. For one or more reasons listed above. Werms environment may be more reasonable to the Watts tubing than Claytons environment. So some of the clouding going on could be due to these issues. It's difficult to tell from related experiences what the exact issue is, if one is looking in this haystack from the outside looking in. thinking.gif

Obviously this only weeds out a minor amount of instances having issues here but it at least shines a bit of perspective on the issue. mellowsmiley.gif

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You forget that this issue happened to many of us using no biocide at all. I was on water and kill coil only.
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Reading the details of this tubing it says it's "Anti-Microbial". What makes it anti-microbial? Is the inside of the tubing coated with this anti-microbial stuff?

If you are referring to Danger Den tubing the "Anti-Microbial" is molded in when the tubing is formed.

Click on Features tab.

I'm pretty sure that the PC LRT Tubing is also anti-microbial. Since this is the case maybe on some of the fails it's user error by using PT Nuke in a line that already has anti-microbials involved. Kind of like taking one french fry that comes with the correct amount of ketchup pre-applied and then covering it with even more of the stuff. It's gonna inevitably be a soggy mess in short order.

Sorry if this example isn't the best, it's what I could come up with at the spur of the moment. tongue.gif

Basically, unless you know the amount of Algaecide used in these tubings it's probably not a good idea to add more, just try to reduce the amount of natural light your system sees with clear tubing. Whereas if you have a dark tube like Black, you don't want to leave it where natural sunlight will contribute to the heat build up in the lines. They use black for solar displays for a reason. It's not for its reflective properties. I don't know about the White tubing but I suppose I'm going to find out though. Another thought I had was that anti-corrosion additives may have a negative effect on the algaecide preloaded into the tubing. So it's something to be aware of. I'm not saying don't use the stuff, just to be aware that the levels used may need to be worked out to lessen the speed at which the tubing clouds.

The Watts tubing clouding however sounds to me like environmental clouding. For one or more reasons listed above. Werms environment may be more reasonable to the Watts tubing than Claytons environment. So some of the clouding going on could be due to these issues. It's difficult to tell from related experiences what the exact issue is, if one is looking in this haystack from the outside looking in. thinking.gif

Obviously this only weeds out a minor amount of instances having issues here but it at least shines a bit of perspective on the issue. mellowsmiley.gif

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You forget that this issue happened to many of us using no biocide at all. I was on water and kill coil only.
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Obviously this only weeds out a minor amount of instances having issues here but it at least shines a bit of perspective on the issue. mellowsmiley.gif
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Most antimicrobial tubing uses alphasan (zirconium phosphate based silver ion exchange resin) embedded in walls. While it prevents bacteria/algae from growing on tubing/refrigerator/etc walls (with minimal release of any silver ion into fluid) since it releases silver only by ion exchange via contact with ions from proteins on bacteria,algae, etc, I wouldnt expect antimicrobial tubing to prevent contamination in rad/reservoir/blocks or anywhere but the surface of tubing as it is intended.

And the amount/speed of plasticizer leech may be affected by other variables, but the only way you wont get it, regardless of whether you put antimicrobials in loop or not, is to use inner bore plasticizer free tubing. And if primochill is no longer using inner bore free, then I will find another tubing to use for next purchase.
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Most antimicrobial tubing uses alphasan (zirconium phosphate based silver ion exchange resin) embedded in walls. While it prevents bacteria/algae from growing on tubing/refrigerator/etc walls (with minimal release of any silver ion into fluid) since it releases silver only by ion exchange via contact with ions from proteins on bacteria,algae, etc, I wouldnt expect antimicrobial tubing to prevent contamination in rad/reservoir/blocks or anywhere but the surface of tubing as it is intended.



Maybe that is what we are seeing here with the primochill tubing and why it's so varying between builds.
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Pretty much as I point out, that certain conditions are being met. Just not with all the fancy talk of silver ionization. tongue.gif

Still I am interested to see what that test loop looks like. Because I'm like that I guess. smile.gif

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Still clear

Nice. smile.gif

You might give it a week and if there is no change, try moving it to a source of natural lighting by a window and see what happens then. With the heat thrown off by the pump and the embedded biocide in the tubing you might get the reaction we're looking for. thinking.gif It needn't be direct sunlight just out of the window should throw off enough ambient light to do the job if I remember the tank in my HS Biology Teacher's room correctly. IIt was never in direct light for very long but it had a Bass in it and the tank had all kinds of algae growing in it. So moving the setup near a window may start the reaction we're looking for. nerdsmiley.png

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