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Originally Posted by Engelskhorn View Post

Well ...
I am a medical student from Denmark, and i have been interrested in watercooling for a while, and while planning my first system, I ran into several post about cloudy tubing. I do not work for anybody, the "we" simply refers to this community.
What i read about cloudy tubing seemed to suggest all sort of reasons, while not really being conclusive on anything, so I wanted to investigate, which is why I made the list of things i wanted to attempt to correlate to clouding.
You are abslutely right that this kind of data could be used by watercooling companies, but I have no intention but to use it to fínd potential patterns, which could help the WC community keep their tubes clear.
If it freaks you out to send data to the e-mail i created, just post it in this tread. The reason why i want detailed data, is because I believe it isn't possible to locate potential reasons for clouding without that kind of data. I could keep tryinf to find data through treads like this, but here i usually only get 2-4 to pieces of information at a time, which is why i made my first post, I even created an account to do this.
Engelskhorn
AKA: Rasmus Kastoft, Stud. Med.
There is not point of this information being gathered though that the only reason it happens is due to plasticiser. It was removed and it doesn't occur anymore.
post #1862 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Engelskhorn View Post

Well ...
I am a medical student from Denmark, and i have been interrested in watercooling for a while,etc etc
Engelskhorn
AKA: Rasmus Kastoft, Stud. Med.


Yes you are correct in saying that such research should be conducted-it has been suggested by myself and many others before and after me.

Good luck with your endeavor, and as for 'freaking me out' there is nothing in this whole forum that could even close to doing that-if you knew what i do for a job, you would understand.

I questioned a request out of the blue for very in depth information from a poster that i had never seen in this thread, that's all-totally understandable after what we have heard ,seen and endured in this thread.

On the other side of the coin, you are more than entitled to conduct such a 'study' whether i, or anyone likes it or not-this forum encourages free speech on both sides wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Socks keep you warm View Post

There is not point of this information being gathered though that the only reason it happens is due to plasticiser. It was removed and it doesn't occur anymore.

Mate please stop making such misleading comments that are far from the truth-whilst the plasticizer compound may have been removed from, or never included in certain types/makes of tubing (eg Tygon Plasticizer free)-making such rash statements is unhelpful and incorrect.

Simple example:Some people have reported Tygon free tubing as still presenting plasticizer problems- look through this thread and you will see for yourself wink.gif
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Originally Posted by 02ssei View Post

Seems like up do that a lot, not a fan of your disrespectful tone either. First you say it's ringing an alarm that I have the tubing, then you take offense when I tell you how I got it. I didn't kiss anyone's ass, I simply submitted a ticket on primochill's support system and got a replacement for a faulty part that cost me a whopping $12 to begin with. Legal action over something that cost you less than $20? Are you serious?

I took offence at the fact that you suggested we did not approach Primochill calmly without you having any facts whatsoever-if you don't like being asked a simple question, don't bother answering, i am not the only one who has reservations as to how you got the tubing-as for my so called disrespectful tone, i answered in the manner that i was addressed-so deal with it, and what you feel about my ability to pursue compensation by any means at my disposal is inconsequential-i still hear alarms ringing, why are you so bothered in what i want to do-very strange........

Finally , if you want to continue in this tone lets do it in PMs and not bore others, if not, you have said your piece and so have i, you and i are done.
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Originally Posted by mybadomen View Post

Lol this thread cracks me up.. Using Both Pro LRT and Advanced both running great for 6 + months now. Plasticizer..LOL cant help laughing when i see that.
Anyways just seeing the latest in the thread Take care guys,

MybadOmen

So true to form- you had advanced 6 months ago-wow miracles do happen. I looked through ALL of your posts not once did you mention using it that far back(dont bother going back to add a comment now lol). hmm, being sponsored by Primochill has nothing to do with it does it? Rhetorical question, of course.

What gets me with people like you is that you are 100% interested in yourself only, you don't really care about the spirit in which this thread has been operating(i cant and wont comment on other threads you contribute towards), why not try to help people instead of discounting the myriad of clear and valid cases of faulty tubing, not once have i seen you attempt to mediate between your sponsor and the people who have clearly bought faulty tubing!-stop trying to mislead people-kids and others who dont think for themselves look up to builders like yourself-try integrity!


Dont drink the sponsored builders Kool-aid (scroll down and you can see that Primochill sponsor this guy wink.gif )
http://www.overclock.net/t/1222200/completed-mass-effect-3-nzxt-switch-810-build-log-sponsored

Also have a look at IT Diva's post on this page(#90)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1303455/mybadomens-new-nzxt-phantom-evolved-build/80
Edited by kkorky - 11/11/12 at 10:54am
post #1863 of 3087
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Originally Posted by kkorky View Post

Maybe im taking what you said the wrong way, BUT, most of us that have approached Primochill with tubing problems have done so initially in a calm manner, your possible hidden suggestion of anything else is insulting, people have subsequently become irate after Brian (CEO of Primochill) has repeatedly ignored peoples valid claims & e mails.
Add to that insults, such as the 5% doozy, and empty promises that have not been honoured, and it is logical that people are irate!
I have an e mail promising to set matters right from Brian, and i have written to Brian at Primochill twice over the last 3-4 weeks and i have been ignored, if i so choose, i could easily mount legal action for compensation based on his e mail to me, the ruined substandard/faulty tubing that i bought and all the other information that has been posted, yet i am waiting till the tubing is released properly on the market, if i do not receive a reply by then, i will decide what avenue to take-so please, enough with the Dalai Lama serenity stance.

Seems like up do that a lot, not a fan of your disrespectful tone either. First you say it's ringing an alarm that I have the tubing, then you take offense when I tell you how I got it. I didn't kiss anyone's ass, I simply submitted a ticket on primochill's support system and got a replacement for a faulty part that cost me a whopping $12 to begin with. Legal action over something that cost you less than $20? Are you serious?
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I have sent and email to Promochill opening a ticket . Anyway we have changed 4 mails between. till today.
The begining : : """"We are very sorry to hear about you white film issue. We will be happy to send you a system scrubber, which gently cleans out your system. All we need is a proof of purchase and a current address. Once we receive these, we can start the shipping process. Please don't hesitate to contact with any questions."""
Proof of `purchase.....Is to much!!!. I have buyed this tube in a phisical shop between january or February togheter with some small items, just a few euros,. 3 meters of tube a and few racords. The thing is I dont have any " proof of purchase" beacose I have pay cash .and it was a very low cost all. The thing is they will not probably take care of my conplaint... I have sent also to the Primochill support a lot of pictures of my buiding where they can see the tubes....but they persist in the "proof of purchase"... Must see the end of the movie., the ticket is still open.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?279315-MY-Dimastech-building




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post #1865 of 3087
I have started a new thread dedicated to submitting data for the investigation i mentioned earlier, feel free to post data their, on this thread or to: tube.clouding.survey@gmail.com

Data submission thread

Everyone is more than welcome to submit data, to be able to determine anything, it is just as important to get data from people who have perfectly clear tubing.

Use this form, (if you dont have the data for some parts, just write "no data":

1: is your tube slightly clouded, clouded, clouded to the point where it fully blocks vision or not clouded.
2: which metals are present in your loop (not from biocide, so no silver from killcoil or cobber from Nuke)
3: What material do your resoir consist of: acryl, something else, or you dont use one.
4: what kind of tube do you use: plz state as detailed as possible including brand, size, subtype and aproximate date of purchase.
5: what coolant do you use
6: which biocide do you use (list killcoils here)
7: which dyes do you use
8: any other additives
9: for how long have the system been running with the current tubes
10: average ambient temperature in the room where the Pc is
11: water temp during runtime
12: flushing method: tap water, tap water then distilled, tap + distilled with weak acid (vinegar or citric acid), filtered water, no flushing
13: did you reuse any parts from a previous build (state which)
14: corrosion: any signs of corrosion
15: Ph of coolant:below 6, 6 to 8, above 8.

I hope this will produce some statistical evidence.
post #1866 of 3087
At least the color looks better plasticized biggrin.giftongue.gifwink.gif




Foreground is a new piece of Primochill UV blue and in the back is one that has plasticized. I prefer w/ the look of the plasticized one biggrin.gif
post #1867 of 3087
Lol this thread cracks me up.. Using Both Pro LRT and Advanced both running great for 6 + months now. Plasticizer..LOL cant help laughing when i see that.


Anyways just seeing the latest in the thread Take care guys,

MybadOmen
   
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Lol this thread cracks me up.. Using Both Pro LRT and Advanced both running great for 6 + months now. Plasticizer..LOL cant help laughing when i see that.


Anyways just seeing the latest in the thread Take care guys,

MybadOmen

 

I have defended what you have posted in the past but no more. MBO you are one hell of a modder, but suck as a company rep thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

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I have defended what you have posted in the past but no more. MBO you are one hell of a modder, but suck as a company rep thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

I know that my posts are long winded, but this time, all i have to say is LOL!

Have a look at this page as well(the post before mine-IT Divas post)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1303455/mybadomens-new-nzxt-phantom-evolved-build/80

I leave you to your own conclusions wink.gif
Edited by kkorky - 11/11/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by mybadomen View Post

Lol this thread cracks me up.. Using Both Pro LRT and Advanced both running great for 6 + months now. Plasticizer..LOL cant help laughing when i see that.
Anyways just seeing the latest in the thread Take care guys,
MybadOmen

Some pics will be nice from you MybadOmen.


I have some updated to be made soon. This weekend I just had my main rig down for fans upgrade and re-alocat the 240 rad and adding some new tubing. Also I will been posting some of my tubing testing.
1- New tubing
2- Used tubing
3- Washed used tubing

On this update you guys will see how the tubing has changed the color during this time. Stay tune
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