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I should have the mayhem's pastel white in the next few days. I think I will take my CPU block apart and see if anything is in there. I only had the plasticizer tubing for 2 weeks before running the scrubber, but I'm curious if any crap is in there.
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Yes you are correct in saying that such research should be conducted-it has been suggested by myself and many others before and after me.
Good luck with your endeavor, and as for 'freaking me out' there is nothing in this whole forum that could even close to doing that-if you knew what i do for a job, you would understand.
I questioned a request out of the blue for very in depth information from a poster that i had never seen in this thread, that's all-totally understandable after what we have heard ,seen and endured in this thread.
On the other side of the coin, you are more than entitled to conduct such a 'study' whether i, or anyone likes it or not-this forum encourages free speech on both sides wink.gif
Mate please stop making such misleading comments that are far from the truth-whilst the plasticizer compound may have been removed from, or never included in certain types/makes of tubing (eg Tygon Plasticizer free)-making such rash statements is unhelpful and incorrect.
Simple example:Some people have reported Tygon free tubing as still presenting plasticizer problems- look through this thread and you will see for yourself wink.gif
I took offence at the fact that you suggested we did not approach Primochill calmly without you having any facts whatsoever-if you don't like being asked a simple question, don't bother answering, i am not the only one who has reservations as to how you got the tubing-as for my so called disrespectful tone, i answered in the manner that i was addressed-so deal with it, and what you feel about my ability to pursue compensation by any means at my disposal is inconsequential-i still hear alarms ringing, why are you so bothered in what i want to do-very strange........
Finally , if you want to continue in this tone lets do it in PMs and not bore others, if not, you have said your piece and so have i, you and i are done.
So true to form- you had advanced 6 months ago-wow miracles do happen. I looked through ALL of your posts not once did you mention using it that far back(dont bother going back to add a comment now lol). hmm, being sponsored by Primochill has nothing to do with it does it? Rhetorical question, of course.
What gets me with people like you is that you are 100% interested in yourself only, you don't really care about the spirit in which this thread has been operating(i cant and wont comment on other threads you contribute towards), why not try to help people instead of discounting the myriad of clear and valid cases of faulty tubing, not once have i seen you attempt to mediate between your sponsor and the people who have clearly bought faulty tubing!-stop trying to mislead people-kids and others who dont think for themselves look up to builders like yourself-try integrity!
Dont drink the sponsored builders Kool-aid (scroll down and you can see that Primochill sponsor this guy wink.gif )
http://www.overclock.net/t/1222200/completed-mass-effect-3-nzxt-switch-810-build-log-sponsored
Also have a look at IT Diva's post on this page(#90)
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Try people like me are the ones working daily to fix the problem if you only had half a clue of what you were talking about .while wait what are you doing? And yes actually been running multiple brands of tubing and coolants for close to a year now non stop 24/7 on 2 test benches with all test equipment . And my comment doesn't apply to Primochill but it just makes me laugh because 2 seconds using Google you can see the same issue with any tubing. Why the hell do i care if a company sponsors me 30 dollars worth of tubing for a 5 to 8 thousand dollar build? I am going to sacrifice everything for that?? Get real will you. I like you and many others tried all the others listed here will all poor results so went back to using what i always have Primochill. I dont see whats so wrong with that. I read Tygon is great in this thread. Thanks guys for the waste of money and piss yellow tubing that was. I tried the Masterkeer listed here total joke. XSPC tried it and wont go there. So what are we supposed to do tell me that rather then thinking im the bad guy. I want what you want .CLEAR Tubing! Thats all i don't care who has it and dont say duraleen however you spell it because i dont want that yellow crap either. Sorry i have no intention of being disrespectful i just dont know how many times i have to say im only trying to help and yes i have close connections NOT sponsorship with a tubing company and am trying and they are trying their very hardest to put out a tubing that wont cloud in anyway. but that's extremely hard as many in water cooling know. And if doing high voltage overclocking its even harder on the tubing as you can see by some that have a section coming from the cpu only that goes bad. But you have to go through this whole thread and really look at some of the photos of CPU & GPU blocks apart and you can def see some of it is def poor loop maintenance and i myself have done it also .

To put it simply i am in the same boat i just want CLEAR Tubing that holds up and im doing my best at trying to make that happen and that goes far into people who make the tubing now.But my posts way back in the beginning i did not have the support or help working on tubing. I used to post here about the testing i was doing but it was just ridiculous post after post so i have continued the testing working closely with the companies on a solution. Thats all not such a bad guy. I also find it so funny before i was sponsored i was a great guy but now that people give me a few things im not anymore?? I still spend Thousands of dollars on each build you know, just like you guys and im still me the same person you knew from before getting support.I dont and wont Lie for a company no matter who it is. I am a Modder that's what i care about and i love the community but the community that i called home here at OCN really hasn't been the same home i once knew where people helped each other ,got together and solved a problem. Now its just bashing,Trolling and insults all over the place. Well i wont say everywhere as many of you guys are still awesome but for some god awful reason have it in their heads that these companies own me or something. Again its 30 dollar tubing ! think about it. Im going to lie to all of you ruin my whole reputation over 30 dollar tubing. No i say what i say because i mean i tried others recommended here and went back to regular Primochill and found ways around the clouding. And when it does cloud ill change it and clean my loop. the joys of water cooling. Nickel plating is another one. i never owned a block that wasnt Nickel plated but i never had a bad one.Def could be just good luck though.As i def had my share of DOA's .

Anyway please don't bring this thread talking about a 5 year old issue into my build logs. Thats kind of disrespectful and i wouldn't do it to you.

And whether you want to believe it or not im on your side ,Actually i don't think anyone is on any other side as we all want the perfect tubing.and i just meant this thread is funny as its still going and its was going years before this thread started with all the brand tubing's also and coolants,and blocks,and pumps. Its water cooling a PC and we don't want H100's so we do it anyway..LOL At least its not Algae like years ago when tubing was the size of a straw.

Take Care guys and i am the same person i have always been just a bit busier ,Love all you guys here as i always have and trust me if i had something that's going to help the situation i would post it
but mostly i try to avoid the thread as i am constantly draining loops and changing tubing almost every day helping to solve this.

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Advanced LRT is $10 more than the old LRT (amazon). Its priced right with most other rolls from other water brands (TFC, Koolance, etc.). But still considereably more expensive than the cost-effective brands (ie Duralene, MasterKlear, etc.).

Weremad, is it for sale on US Amazon?

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As someone who has been burned in the past numerous times by vendors overstating or potentially outright lying about their products' efficacy or durability I can understand your frustration and desire for recompense. Etc etc etc Just my 2cents.gif

Ok, ill try to keep this short:

1) of course what you say makes sense, but this issue with Primochill has gone from being a mere faulty product issue, to a case of right vs wrong in my eyes. i was promised via e mail to have things set right by Brian (CEO of Primochill) and ever since i have 'dared' to criticise their product, my e mails for new tubing etc have been ignored-he's obviously trying to get back at me for trashing his prior tubing.

2)you would be correct in assuming that i have the financial means and power to 'waste' money on legal avenues-it would take 0.00% of my personal time, and at the very least will provide illumination on Primochill's substandard Customer after service-regardless of the fact that they are trying to clean up their image by giving replacement tubing to others who 'calmly' lol contacted them-one re occurring variant-anyone who has been aggressive in their critisism of their faulty LRT tubing, has been ignored.

3) I do indeed have proof of purchase from two (2) different vendors-and i also sent Brian an e mail outlining what my system entailed etc, plus photos of the faulty tubing-i still have samples of the faulty tubing.
He sent me an e mail, which i still have and posted further back in this thread offering to make matters right, to which i replied, that when the time is right(ie when the new tubing is released), i would contact him for some of it-but until then, i do not relinquish in anyway my rights as a consumer thumb.gif

4) That having been said,i appreciate you trying to be the voice of reason-thanks & much appreciated thumb.gif

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this is what I'm trying to explain to all of us here and get rid of the bad tubing till we can get some new data for the next tubing for water cooler. Primochill LRT friends and REP'S what you have to say now? oh... i know. This is users fault. BS.

your efforts are to be applauded my friend wink.gif
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That's what I'm talking about - I can totally understand wanting to sue if there is irreparable damage to multiple components in a loop. But it seems many people are complaining about having to trash $40 or so worth of tubing to have a 'safer' loop - to me that just made good sense despite just having purchased the PC tubing. Do I wish I hadn't given them any of my money? Sure. Am I going to spend even one hour trying to get that $40 back from them? Nope. I realize that everyone's situation is different, but when most of us have more money invested in a few fittings (or one fitting for those monsoon 90-degree guys) it's not the end of the world to just avoid them in the future. I figure I already lost the initial money... I'm not going to waste even more just to get a batch of (thus far) unproven 'better' tubing from the same company. Caveat Emptor (sp?) as the saying goes.

See above.
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Try people like me are the ones working daily to fix the problem if you only had half a clue of what you were talking about .while wait what are you doing? Etc etc etc
MybadOmen

1)You do not merely have 'close connections' with Primochill, you are sponsored by Primochill :http://www.overclock.net/t/1222200/completed-mass-effect-3-nzxt-switch-810-build-log-sponsored

Scroll down-you have stated this yourself.

2)I came into your log to post a reply to what was said by IT Diva thumb.gif

3) People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones-as i said before, your posts have been insulting to many here, expect replies.

Look, i have said what i have to say, you can think what you want, but my conscience is clear, is yours?(rhetorical question,as im not bothered if it is)

People this is what i posted on his log, just so you can have another side of the coin:http://www.overclock.net/t/1303455/mybadomens-new-nzxt-phantom-evolved-build/90

Posts 91 & 94

MBO, your missing a point here, yes im the one who has actually bothered to reply to your posts, but others are similarly p*ssed off with your posts-just take the time to go through and read some of them

i will end this on a positive note-i fully agree that people should conspire to help each other in these forums, but if we rock other peoples boats, we should expect the same in return thumb.gif

I wish, that you would actually try to help the situation here instead of looking at it from your point of view only-use your gift, your contacts, your sponsors-open up lines of communication between hard done by customers and give them your support when your time allows.

This will create a good name for yourself, please the customers and finally increase sales for your sponsors.

So in the interest of fairness, i will take on board what you have said, and the future shall tell-thank you for taking the time out to post your side of the story-much appreciated thumb.gif
Edited by kkorky - 11/14/12 at 6:05am
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Weremad, is it for sale on US Amazon?
Ok, ill try to keep this short:
1) of course what you say makes sense, but this issue with Primochill has gone from being a mere faulty product issue, to a case of right vs wrong in my eyes. i was promised via e mail to have things set right by Brian (CEO of Primochill) and ever since i have 'dared' to criticise their product, my e mails for new tubing etc have been ignored-he's obviously trying to get back at me for trashing his prior tubing.
2)you would be correct in assuming that i have the financial means and power to 'waste' money on legal avenues-it would take 0.00% of my personal time, and at the very least will provide illumination on Primochill's substandard Customer after service-regardless of the fact that they are trying to clean up their image by giving replacement tubing to others who 'calmly' lol contacted them-one re occurring variant-anyone who has been aggressive in their critisism of their faulty LRT tubing, has been ignored.
3) I do indeed have proof of purchase from two (2) different vendors-and i also sent Brian an e mail outlining what my system entailed etc, plus photos of the faulty tubing-i still have samples of the faulty tubing.
He sent me an e mail, which i still have and posted further back in this thread offering to make matters right, to which i replied, that when the time is right(ie when the new tubing is released), i would contact him for some of it-but until then, i do not relinquish in anyway my rights as a consumer thumb.gif
4) That having been said,i appreciate you trying to be the voice of reason-thanks & much appreciated thumb.gif

your efforts are to be applauded my friend wink.gif
.

kkorky thank you. I'm happy and very pleasant to help our community. I may be doing a clean test on my Durelene Dye-pink tubing today, stay tune.
_____________________________________________________________

If anyone here with this new Advanced LRT can you take a close picture with quality and post back please. I would love to put my hands on this new Primochill Advanced LRT tubing for test just to see how it will handle my testing.
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If anyone here with this new Advanced LRT can you take a close picture with quality and post back please. I would love to put my hands on this new Primochill Advanced LRT tubing for test just to see how it will handle my testing.

I posted some pictures in post #1839 and #1894. I wish I had a macro lens to get a really detailed shot, but I do not.
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I would test your ph levels in your loop to make sure it isn't high.

never tested pH levels, but I can only assure you that loop is maintained very well and the clear distilled water is only thing (plus silver kill coil or Primochill Utopia which I tried once, but never together) is drained out and refilled like once a month or two or sometimes more often when I upgrade components (that's how I spotted the problem with Primochill tubing in first place).
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Yes you are correct in saying that such research should be conducted-it has been suggested by myself and many others before and after me.
Good luck with your endeavor, and as for 'freaking me out' there is nothing in this whole forum that could even close to doing that-if you knew what i do for a job, you would understand.
I questioned a request out of the blue for very in depth information from a poster that i had never seen in this thread, that's all-totally understandable after what we have heard ,seen and endured in this thread.
On the other side of the coin, you are more than entitled to conduct such a 'study' whether i, or anyone likes it or not-this forum encourages free speech on both sides wink.gif
Mate please stop making such misleading comments that are far from the truth-whilst the plasticizer compound may have been removed from, or never included in certain types/makes of tubing (eg Tygon Plasticizer free)-making such rash statements is unhelpful and incorrect.
Simple example:Some people have reported Tygon free tubing as still presenting plasticizer problems- look through this thread and you will see for yourself wink.gif
I took offence at the fact that you suggested we did not approach Primochill calmly without you having any facts whatsoever-if you don't like being asked a simple question, don't bother answering, i am not the only one who has reservations as to how you got the tubing-as for my so called disrespectful tone, i answered in the manner that i was addressed-so deal with it, and what you feel about my ability to pursue compensation by any means at my disposal is inconsequential-i still hear alarms ringing, why are you so bothered in what i want to do-very strange........
Finally , if you want to continue in this tone lets do it in PMs and not bore others, if not, you have said your piece and so have i, you and i are done.
So true to form- you had advanced 6 months ago-wow miracles do happen. I looked through ALL of your posts not once did you mention using it that far back(dont bother going back to add a comment now lol). hmm, being sponsored by Primochill has nothing to do with it does it? Rhetorical question, of course.
What gets me with people like you is that you are 100% interested in yourself only, you don't really care about the spirit in which this thread has been operating(i cant and wont comment on other threads you contribute towards), why not try to help people instead of discounting the myriad of clear and valid cases of faulty tubing, not once have i seen you attempt to mediate between your sponsor and the people who have clearly bought faulty tubing!-stop trying to mislead people-kids and others who dont think for themselves look up to builders like yourself-try integrity!
Dont drink the sponsored builders Kool-aid (scroll down and you can see that Primochill sponsor this guy wink.gif )
http://www.overclock.net/t/1222200/completed-mass-effect-3-nzxt-switch-810-build-log-sponsored
Also have a look at IT Diva's post on this page(#90)
http://www.overclock.net/t/1303455/mybadomens-new-nzxt-phantom-evolved-build/80


Try people like me are the ones working daily to fix the problem if you only had half a clue of what you were talking about .while wait what are you doing? And yes actually been running multiple brands of tubing and coolants for close to a year now non stop 24/7 on 2 test benches with all test equipment . And my comment doesn't apply to Primochill but it just makes me laugh because 2 seconds using Google you can see the same issue with any tubing. Why the hell do i care if a company sponsors me 30 dollars worth of tubing for a 5 to 8 thousand dollar build? I am going to sacrifice everything for that?? Get real will you. I like you and many others tried all the others listed here will all poor results so went back to using what i always have Primochill. I dont see whats so wrong with that. I read Tygon is great in this thread. Thanks guys for the waste of money and piss yellow tubing that was. I tried the Masterkeer listed here total joke. XSPC tried it and wont go there. So what are we supposed to do tell me that rather then thinking im the bad guy. I want what you want .CLEAR Tubing! Thats all i don't care who has it and dont say duraleen however you spell it because i dont want that yellow crap either. Sorry i have no intention of being disrespectful i just dont know how many times i have to say im only trying to help and yes i have close connections NOT sponsorship with a tubing company and am trying and they are trying their very hardest to put out a tubing that wont cloud in anyway. but that's extremely hard as many in water cooling know. And if doing high voltage overclocking its even harder on the tubing as you can see by some that have a section coming from the cpu only that goes bad. But you have to go through this whole thread and really look at some of the photos of CPU & GPU blocks apart and you can def see some of it is def poor loop maintenance and i myself have done it also .

To put it simply i am in the same boat i just want CLEAR Tubing that holds up and im doing my best at trying to make that happen and that goes far into people who make the tubing now.But my posts way back in the beginning i did not have the support or help working on tubing. I used to post here about the testing i was doing but it was just ridiculous post after post so i have continued the testing working closely with the companies on a solution. Thats all not such a bad guy. I also find it so funny before i was sponsored i was a great guy but now that people give me a few things im not anymore?? I still spend Thousands of dollars on each build you know, just like you guys and im still me the same person you knew from before getting support.I dont and wont Lie for a company no matter who it is. I am a Modder that's what i care about and i love the community but the community that i called home here at OCN really hasn't been the same home i once knew where people helped each other ,got together and solved a problem. Now its just bashing,Trolling and insults all over the place. Well i wont say everywhere as many of you guys are still awesome but for some god awful reason have it in their heads that these companies own me or something. Again its 30 dollar tubing ! think about it. Im going to lie to all of you ruin my whole reputation over 30 dollar tubing. No i say what i say because i mean i tried others recommended here and went back to regular Primochill and found ways around the clouding. And when it does cloud ill change it and clean my loop. the joys of water cooling. Nickel plating is another one. i never owned a block that wasnt Nickel plated but i never had a bad one.Def could be just good luck though.As i def had my share of DOA's .

Anyway please don't bring this thread talking about a 5 year old issue into my build logs. Thats kind of disrespectful and i wouldn't do it to you.

And whether you want to believe it or not im on your side ,Actually i don't think anyone is on any other side as we all want the perfect tubing.and i just meant this thread is funny as its still going and its was going years before this thread started with all the brand tubing's also and coolants,and blocks,and pumps. Its water cooling a PC and we don't want H100's so we do it anyway..LOL At least its not Algae like years ago when tubing was the size of a straw.

Take Care guys and i am the same person i have always been just a bit busier ,Love all you guys here as i always have and trust me if i had something that's going to help the situation i would post it
but mostly i try to avoid the thread as i am constantly draining loops and changing tubing almost every day helping to solve this.

Talk Soon
MybadOmen


The thing you keep forgetting is the fact some people are getting extreme clouding in a month's time or less just with the Primochill tubing. I'm not saying that other tubing won't cloud over time. The way you come across is that you know 100% why it is happening but don't say why. Then you turn around and say there is no problem with the tubing because you don't get the extreme clouding. You are sounding a lot like what Primochill and what they have put in their statement. Well if there isn't a problem, then why have they made a new tubing shortly after people started having a problems with their tubing? Why was this not a problem just 2 years ago? Why when other brands of tubing cloud they don't leave a white powder on the tubing? If it isn't their tubing causing the problem then what is it? We all need to know, even other companies, if it something other than the tubing so the problem can be fixed across the board.

 

Like I've said from the start, I'm still not 100% sure it is plasticizer we are seeing with the Primochill tubing, with other tubing it turns yellow and brown, not a white dust covering the tubing. The more I think about it and now that the new Primochill tubing is out, I believe it's the antimicrobial they impregnated into the tubing that we are seeing. I'm also thinking that high PH levels are making it worse or happen faster. I know 100% my loop had high a PH level. I hope the new tubing is the best tubing in the world and last years, but only time will tell. 

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I'm using Tygon R-3603 and clouding up and starting to turning slightly greyish to black.
That's mostly coming from the CPU block so kinda worried about that.
Watching temps closely any changes I'll tear it all down for a good cleaning.
Don't plan on cleaning till spring.

ATM all temps aren't the best but not dangerous yet with my OC at rest hovering at low 30's.
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I'm using Tygon R-3603 and clouding up and starting to turning slightly greyish to black.
That's mostly coming from the CPU block so kinda worried about that.
Watching temps closely any changes I'll tear it all down for a good cleaning.
Don't plan on cleaning till spring.
ATM all temps aren't the best but not dangerous yet with my OC at rest hovering at low 30's.

Hey FearXI eventually your Tygon R-3603 will turn going bad as this on here soon or later , after Primochill this is one of the bad cloud I ever seen it 790#post_17487045. it will not going to grow the white stuff inside like Primochill but the cloud will be so bad as you going to see some changes in your ReS, temp will not be affected. It is easy to clear but tubing get yellowish very yellowish but it will shine again.

Durelene vs Tygon R-3603 which one ? I prefer Durelene even after the cloud and yellowish it won't show as bad like Tygon R-3603. Durelene is only able to see "Plast/haze" inside when you put another new tubing side by side. when Durelene is wet "under water" you may not tell if it has a bit of "Plast/haze" or not and the tubing itself is much cheaper than Tygon and other clear brand.
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Anyone with Norprene? I'd like hear how it fares compared to other tubings.

I'd like to know as well. Just got ordered some myself redface.gif
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