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Just an update as promised, I finally had some free time to install the ether-based polyurethane tubing. This is the stuff that's readily availible from Mcmaster Carr. Upon close inspection it has a sort of streaky appearance, but nevertheless it is clear. I'll be running straight distilled with copper sulfate and see how it fares.

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I've made a ticket to Primochill regarding the white powdery thing on my PrimoFlex Pro LRT White Tubing, and I got the answer here.
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This does not look like the same issue you have read about on the internet. It seems as though this may be some sort of residue from a coolant. Try flushing your system and see if the residue returns.

Is it possible that coolant can create this kinda white powdery things or residue? And I was using distilled not coolant.

Here're the pictures of before and after cleaning up the tubing.



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post #2313 of 3087
Well, I've heard enought problems about plastic tubing.
So I'm making the move to copper tubes.
No mixing metals either, all copper, no silver coil and no nickel plating either.
Copper tubes might be just a little harder to fit but they will last forever, not leave any residue and the push fit fittings will make it so much easier to take down my build.

There is always the issue of tarnishing copper, for that I will just paint my copper, or at least the visible parts of it.
And it will look awesome too!
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Well, I've heard enought problems about plastic tubing.
So I'm making the move to copper tubes.
No mixing metals either, all copper, no silver coil and no nickel plating either.
Copper tubes might be just a little harder to fit but they will last forever, not leave any residue and the push fit fittings will make it so much easier to take down my build.

There is always the issue of tarnishing copper, for that I will just paint my copper, or at least the visible parts of it.
And it will look awesome too!
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post #2315 of 3087
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Originally Posted by OsiViper View Post

Well i replaced the tubing with new Primochill Advanced, ran the loop for 24 hours with their Sysprep then drained and running with distilled water and biocide now and will let that run for a while and see if the dye caused tubing to look cloudy or if it was in fact plasticizer.

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Just an update as promised, I finally had some free time to install the ether-based polyurethane tubing. This is the stuff that's readily availible from Mcmaster Carr. Upon close inspection it has a sort of streaky appearance, but nevertheless it is clear. I'll be running straight distilled with copper sulfate and see how it fares.


Thank you both, for your feedback thumb.gif

This is of course personal thanks from my point of view and not the thread (before anyone starts accusing me of speaking on behalf of everyone else wink.gif)

I will be keeping an eye out for further info on both fronts seeing as:

1) I too have the new Advanced which i will be using any day now, and id be interested in seeing how it performs in other rigs.

2) New types of wc tubing always interest me, you can never tell if the 'perfect' tubing is out there waiting to be discovered.

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I've made a ticket to Primochill regarding the white powdery thing on my PrimoFlex Pro LRT White Tubing, and I got the answer here.
Is it possible that coolant can create this kinda white powdery things or residue? And I was using distilled not coolant.
Here're the pictures of before and after cleaning up the tubing. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


I dont know what other advice i can give you mate apart from the fact, that yes, at times residue can appear in tubing without it being plasticizer, and whilst only using Distilled water and a SKC.

I cant remember if you listed your gear within your loop(not so much the items as opposed to the various metals within it), but sometimes lesser deposits found in tubing may be a direct reaction to a combination of metals,tubing, temperatures and the purity of the water used for example.

I remember saying to you though that i thought that IMO it didn't look like plasticizer problems to me, the depositing was far less in volume.

If you want to post a few more variables within your loop, i or someone else will give you some more feedback, of that im sure.
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Well, I've heard enought problems about plastic tubing.
So I'm making the move to copper tubes.
No mixing metals either, all copper, no silver coil and no nickel plating either.
Copper tubes might be just a little harder to fit but they will last forever, not leave any residue and the push fit fittings will make it so much easier to take down my build.
There is always the issue of tarnishing copper, for that I will just paint my copper, or at least the visible parts of it.
And it will look awesome too!

Paint it with what please? Im interested in what you had in mind seeing that i have exposed copper parts in one of my rigs wink.gif



On a slightly different note-a photo of one of the rigs im testing tubing on-this is Mastercleer 7\16" ID - 5\8" OD (11-16mm) Tubing with Mayhem's pastel coolant (i mixed the colour to suit the sleeving myself).

Its been running for it 2+ weeks,im looking forward to tearing it down to see how it performed.
Ive been running the PC 24/7
Temps 25-27c idle and 30-34 full load.
No biocide or SKC seeing that the Mayhem's pastel coolants already incorporate those properties.


Edited by kkorky - 1/8/13 at 4:21pm
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Paint it with what please? Im interested in what you had in mind seeing that i have exposed copper parts in one of my rigs wink.gif

http://m.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Stops-Rust-11-oz-Gloss-Copper-Metallic-Spray-Paint-6-Pack-/202041220/

http://www.krylon.com/products/premium_metallic/

http://m.lowes.com/pd_303299-90-247567_0__?productId=3728983
Edited by PepeLapiu - 1/8/13 at 5:07pm
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post #2317 of 3087
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I've made a ticket to Primochill regarding the white powdery thing on my PrimoFlex Pro LRT White Tubing, and I got the answer here.
Is it possible that coolant can create this kinda white powdery things or residue? And I was using distilled not coolant.
Here're the pictures of before and after cleaning up the tubing.

This is the approach I have come to expect from Primochill.

Deny everything! Admit nothing! Refuse to agree with the obvious!
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This is the approach I have come to expect from Primochill.
Deny everything! Admit nothing! Refuse to agree with the obvious!

yeah, my first contact with them was similar, ended up in an ugly way ...
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I got a new reply again.
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I have asked around and nobody has ever seen anything close to what you are experiencing. It may be some kind of residue left over from the manufacturing process of one of your components in the cooling loop.

For my loop, I did wash others parts and make sure all of them are clean to put inside the loop. The only part that's related with white is the Primochill tubing, and those white powdery are sticking inside the wall of the tubing and they are everywhere in the wall of tubing. They're sticky and can't wash them out by just shaking with water, I've to use some small cloth to get it thru inside the tubing and took them out.

So what the hell is this thing?
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I got a new reply again.
For my loop, I did wash others parts and make sure all of them are clean to put inside the loop. The only part that's related with white is the Primochill tubing, and those white powdery are sticking inside the wall of the tubing and they are everywhere in the wall of tubing. They're sticky and can't wash them out by just shaking with water, I've to use some small cloth to get it thru inside the tubing and took them out.
So what the hell is this thing?


Mate i know that i said that it may not be plasticizer, but please remember that i am no pro-i know quite a bit from reading and from first hand experience and from following other posters experiences, but there is always room for error-ergo there is always the possibility that it is plasticizer.

Plasticizer tends to be 'caked' on in the inside walls of the tubing and is dry and either flakes off or can be scraped off when the tubing is dry-you said that your deposits are sticky, is this after the tubing has been removed, and it has dried?

Either way, cleaning tubing is a waste of time-, but i would leave it running and see if you can reason with Primochill. Did you talk to Jennifer as i suggested?

Secondly, if you are not getting heavy deposits, then dont panic, you can still run your system with that tubing, you should just monitor it to make sure that a) its not getting worse and b) that its not migrating to your other loop components(fittings/reservoir. rad etc)

Thirdly, , if you can get replacement tubing, be it either from Primochill or whether you decide to change manufacturer, dump the old tubing and re tube your system with new tubing-cleaning tubing imo is a waste of time as i said before, and a huge time waster.
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