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post #2341 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post



just wanted to share my pics.

This is a 2 month old dual loop system. Silver and distilled only. The tubing in both loops looks exactly the same.

This is Primochill Pro LRT UV Blue and UV Green Model PFLEX-34-B and PFLEX-34-G.

sadly I bought 20 feet each of this stuff.

that looks exactly like what I had with Primoflex LRT UV Blue in 2-3 weeks, also using distilled water and silver kill coil...
post #2342 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post

My system might have some unique results in the next few weeks due to the way I set up my CPU only loop. In my CPU loop the 1/2" tubing hits the CPU and I have the output reduced to 3/8" to hit the barb on the mosfet block of my z77 formula OC asrock motherboard. I realize this isn't ideal but asrock made the board so the barbs can not be changed, and my pump had lots of overhead so i just bumped it up a notch and flow is great still.

When I ordered th 3/8 tube the only primochill UV blue I could find was the advanced stuff. So my CPU loop currently has 1/2" primochill pro with some 3/8" primochill advanced. It will be interesting to see if the advanced stays clean and clear in the same loop as the pro....

I'll post pics later. I did read all 2000+ posts and didn't see anyone with the situation I described above in the testing/results groups.

EDIT/Update: just opened email from primochill customer service and they are going to replace my tubing with the advanced. Outstanding customer support (no doubt due to those of you that were early in this situation and brought it to light)

Thanks!

LOL! biggrin.gif

Good result-yes, Primochill seem to have got themselves back on the right path when it comes to CC smile.gif

So it's one down and one to go-that though, will take some time to ascertain.

Anyway, glad to hear that you got some new tubing.

BTW (not that it matters now), but i was going to say, that if you had mixed tubing with plasticizer problems, with tubing that does not have such problems(or isn't as bad),
you would still more than likely have the same severe plasticizer problems in the better tubing because the plasticizer would migrate, and bond to the other tubing molecules.

Plasticizer does not seem to be able to bond with metal molecules as well, hence the lesser seen amounts of severe plasticizer deposits within fittings and blocks

But if you still feel like torturing yourself go ahead, and please post your feedback, i for one would be very interested in reading your results tongue.gif
post #2343 of 3087
If guys at Primochill wantsto redeem themselves they should remove all non-advanced tubing from the shelves. Funny what marketing does, calling "advanced" something because is working (remaining to see) as intended.
post #2344 of 3087
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Originally Posted by kkorky View Post

LOL! biggrin.gif

Good result-yes, Primochill seem to have got themselves back on the right path when it comes to CC smile.gif

So it's one down and one to go-that though, will take some time to ascertain.

Anyway, glad to hear that you got some new tubing.

BTW (not that it matters now), but i was going to say, that if you had mixed tubing with plasticizer problems, with tubing that does not have such problems(or isn't as bad),
you would still more than likely have the same severe plasticizer problems in the better tubing because the plasticizer would migrate, and bond to the other tubing molecules.

Plasticizer does not seem to be able to bond with metal molecules as well, hence the lesser seen amounts of severe plasticizer deposits within fittings and blocks

But if you still feel like torturing yourself go ahead, and please post your feedback, i for one would be very interested in reading your results tongue.gif

the torture really is the draining and tearing my loops apart. My case is a dangerden doublewide but with two pumps, to rads w/fans and shrouds, and everything it gets darn tight. Seemed like I would have unlimited space but not the situation at all.

I also used those darn monsoon compression fittings and they hate to let go of the tubing once they are tightened on. The look great and they are very secure.... but taking them off is a pain. (I end up holding the tubing with one hand and using the tool and it still twists the heck out of the tube before it releases)

I agree with the advanced tubing getting coated with the plasticizer. / The questions that I hope to explore is how much of that stuff is actually circulating in the loop in the first place. My pro tubing has a good "coat" of that stuff. It could be that at some point that powder layer seals the walls off the tube from contact with the water and the leeching stops. (I know this sort of thing happens in drinking water distrubution systems)

I did look at my blocks, my res and my fittings and they were clean. (for now).

I will do a complete tear down in a month or so.... and I will disect that 3/8 advanced tube and hang a photo here for reference. I will make it painfully clear that anything that appears on my advanced tubing, in this case, was caused by the other tubing in the loop.

When I get 3-4 months of the advanced only loops that will be a different story.
Edited by Skivvy - 1/16/13 at 1:42pm
post #2345 of 3087
Haven't visited it this thread in quite a while now so I'm not sure if you guys are aware or not, but all of my Durelene tubing has developed some clouding. Not so serious as the LRT where you can scrape it off and see the layer of plasticizer, but if you scrape enough you can see some build up. I think the total time used was about 3~4 months.

Going to try neoprene this time and see how it stacks up. Unbelievable to see that this is still an issue in an market dominated by an audience of mostly wealthy people.
post #2346 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Agenesis View Post

Haven't visited it this thread in quite a while now so I'm not sure if you guys are aware or not, but all of my Durelene tubing has developed some clouding. Not so serious as the LRT where you can scrape it off and see the layer of plasticizer, but if you scrape enough you can see some build up. I think the total time used was about 3~4 months.

Going to try neoprene this time and see how it stacks up. Unbelievable to see that this is still an issue in an market dominated by an audience of mostly wealthy people.

Can you post pictures please?
post #2347 of 3087
Well my Clear advanced started to cloud up, but it is nowhere near as bad as the pro. its just a little foggy as compared to the pro going completely opaque.

My mayhem red dye turned purple again.... So I have decided i am gonna go with just plain distilled and get Red Primochill Advanced tubing and hope that goes better. Because purple just does not work with my color scheme..
post #2348 of 3087
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Originally Posted by OsiViper View Post

Well my Clear advanced started to cloud up, but it is nowhere near as bad as the pro. its just a little foggy as compared to the pro going completely opaque.

My mayhem red dye turned purple again.... So I have decided i am gonna go with just plain distilled and get Red Primochill Advanced tubing and hope that goes better. Because purple just does not work with my color scheme..


Please excuse me if im preaching to the converted, but have you tried contacting Mick from Mayhem's?

He may be able to tell you where you are going wrong with your dye/loop setup etc :

http://www.overclock.net/t/1286896/mayhems-users-club

Try asking there, he always answers, and you may get a solution to your dye problem-imo it's a case of water Ph (im trying to help here smile.gif)

Thanks for the feedback on the advanced tubing (how long have you been using it, what are your temps in idle & under load, what hardware are you using), much appreciated, as i have said before, no matter what tubing is used, at least some clouding always eventually appears-but that having been said, its good to hear that the ADV tubing has not been showing signs of severe plasticizer-could you please post a couple of photos so that we may see what the tubing looks like-that would help immensely thumb.gif
Edited by kkorky - 1/18/13 at 12:16pm
post #2349 of 3087
Is it dangerous too leave the plasticizer pellets in the loop like that or should i flush it right away?

I use Feser tubing is this a common problem also should i be switching tubes?
Edited by Drakenxile - 1/18/13 at 1:10pm
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I'm a month in using durelene with lab grade di (not distilled, but di ionizes before you put into your loop anyway) and two drops of PT Nuke. The end result... still clear!

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