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Originally Posted by Lareson View Post




Bottom is the older tubing, top is a section of new. Ignore the pink spots, that's just dried coolant. You can kind of tell I do have some slight hazing. It did wipe off, but I'm also wondering if it was from when I did my leak testing. Come to find out that when I did it, I used a gal jug of drinking water that I though was distilled. I got it from my dad as that's what he was using in his loop for refilling. If I knew from the beginning that it was drinking, I wouldn't of used it for my tests so this could be mineral buildup from that from the little bit of excess water that was left in the loop.

your hazing did wipe off I can see this clearly in the pic.
judi924 coolant has clearly penetrated the tubing100%

http://koolance.com/liq-702-liquid-coolant-bottle-high-performance-700ml-uv-red

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"NOTES: Not recommended for polycarbonate plastics or other PC-based plastics. Red coolant can permanently alter the color of some transparent plastics (hoses, reservoirs, etc.) over time. This is a common side effect among red coolants because of the necessary dye concentration to achieve proper color. If you wish to avoid this, another Koolance color or clear coolant is suggested."
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post #2442 of 3087
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your hazing did wipe off I can see this clearly in the pic.
judi924 coolant has clearly penetrated the tubing100%

http://koolance.com/liq-702-liquid-coolant-bottle-high-performance-700ml-uv-red

QUOTE FROM THEIR OWN WEBSITE
"NOTES: Not recommended for polycarbonate plastics or other PC-based plastics. Red coolant can permanently alter the color of some transparent plastics (hoses, reservoirs, etc.) over time. This is a common side effect among red coolants because of the necessary dye concentration to achieve proper color. If you wish to avoid this, another Koolance color or clear coolant is suggested."

Durelene is PVC, so this shouldn't affect mine. Polyvinyl chloride is completely different chemical makeup than polycarbonate. Also why I'm not using any block, res, or tubing that has polycarbonate, as I knew about the issues with red dye and it ahead of time. Like I said, the pink spots is just dried coolant, tubing itself just has some slight clear haze, no change in color.

Judi924, If you've been running your rig for 2 months with distilled water and what you added and mine has been running for over 1 month and our tubing look completely different with weeks apart, I'm starting to think that any biocide additives may be bad for Durelene.

I have no kill coils, no biocide additives, just the pre-mixed propylene glycol coolant from Koolance. I think I'm the 1st than I know of to run this combo of Koolance coolant and Durelene tubing. It would be great to know if someone else has used the same stuff for a longer period of time.
Edited by Lareson - 2/9/13 at 9:15pm
post #2443 of 3087
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Because you can have a water cooling system without a coolant or pump?

Nobody sacrifices quality on the altar of cheapness when it comes to those two.
post #2444 of 3087
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Originally Posted by Neo Zuko View Post

I do kinda skim but I guess I expected far more hands on for sure buy this endorsements by now for the new Advanced Primochill. But you are right, Duraleen or Advanced Primochill seem to be ok based off the results here.

The problem is that some people only come here to complain or when something goes wrong, but when things are working the way they were suppose to you rarely here of it! I'm sure that if the new Primochill Advanced LRT was still causing problems, believe me we would have heard of it by now!
post #2445 of 3087
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Durelene is PVC, so this shouldn't affect mine. Polyvinyl chloride is completely different chemical makeup than polycarbonate. Also why I'm not using any block, res, or tubing that has polycarbonate, as I knew about the issues with red dye and it ahead of time. Like I said, the pink spots is just dried coolant, tubing itself just has some slight clear haze, no change in color.

Not recommended for polycarbonate plastics or other PC-based plastics.

pvc in my book is a pc based plastic

A coolant recommended for pc use says in their own disclaimer has been tested and is not compatable with pc-based plastics I am rather sceptical about that.
I am rather sceptical about koolance I am wondering if they have put coppersulphate or biocide in their mix. I actually think your pics show no sign of plasterisation but it is hard to tell. But I will say to me it looks likethe coolant it self it breaking down I have seen evidence of some coloured pc coolants/dyes breaking down and leaving a chalky substance blocking waterblocks.

I am using autmotive coolant and after 3 months no signs of anything amiss ie no clouding xspc pvc tube

on my last build 5 years ago on my q6600 I used again automotive coolant 2 years use, 3 in storage with coolant in completed loop to prevent corrosion. The water cooling loop looked as good as new. I have posted some pics a few pages back of the hard ware store el cheapo 10c a foot pvc tubing that has zero signs of clouding / plastrisation or mineral buildup:D
I suspect because of the natural cycle of heating in automotive eleminates the need of any anti algae additives, unlike pc based purposes.
I have had the Mayhems range recommended a few times as been tried and tested.
Just my 2 cents:thumb:
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The problem is that some people only come here to complain or when something goes wrong, but when things are working the way they were suppose to you rarely here of it! I'm sure that if the new Primochill Advanced LRT was still causing problems, believe me we would have heard of it by now!

Well I think I'll try the Primochill Advanced then. I was thinking red... How does the red look in person... Is it a vivid superman red?
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Well I think I'll try the Primochill Advanced then. I was thinking red... How does the red look in person... Is it a vivid superman red?
The bloodshed red looks great in person, not superman red but a darker red.
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I have been running it for over a month using distilled and Liquid Utopia (clear) no problems what so ever.
    
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The bloodshed red looks great in person, not superman red but a darker red.
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I have been running it for over a month using distilled and Liquid Utopia (clear) no problems what so ever.

Oh so it is a bit of a dark translucent red? I was not sure if it was opaque or not. What is liquid utopia?
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Oh so it is a bit of a dark translucent red? I was not sure if it was opaque or not. What is liquid utopia?
Liquid Utopia is a product made by Primochill, it's a biocide and corrosion inhibitor in one.
    
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Not recommended for polycarbonate plastics or other PC-based plastics.

pvc in my book is a pc based plastic

A coolant recommended for pc use says in their own disclaimer has been tested and is not compatable with pc-based plastics I am rather sceptical about that.
I am rather sceptical about koolance I am wondering if they have put coppersulphate or biocide in their mix. I actually think your pics show no sign of plasterisation but it is hard to tell. But I will say to me it looks likethe coolant it self it breaking down I have seen evidence of some coloured pc coolants/dyes breaking down and leaving a chalky substance blocking waterblocks.

I am using autmotive coolant and after 3 months no signs of anything amiss ie no clouding xspc pvc tube

on my last build 5 years ago on my q6600 I used again automotive coolant 2 years use, 3 in storage with coolant in completed loop to prevent corrosion. The water cooling loop looked as good as new. I have posted some pics a few pages back of the hard ware store el cheapo 10c a foot pvc tubing that has zero signs of clouding / plastrisation or mineral buildup:D
I suspect because of the natural cycle of heating in automotive eleminates the need of any anti algae additives, unlike pc based purposes.
I have had the Mayhems range recommended a few times as been tried and tested.
Just my 2 cents thumb.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_chloride - PVC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate - PC

They are 2 completely difference substances with 2 completely different chemical makeups.

Reason why they don't recommend using the coolant with polycarbonate is that propylene glycol can affect it slightly and having the red in it causes the affect areas to be stained. I have a friend who has been running Koolance coolant for over a year with Tygon black tubing and that's why he recommended me that coolant.

https://koolance.com/files/products/manuals/msds_koolance_liq-702.pdf - Here's the spec sheet for the coolant I'm using. It's mainly distilled water and propylene glycol, nothing else to it. The 3% of additives could be anything from colorant to corrosion inhibitors. I doubt though that they put copper sulphate in it as they would of had to put it as an ingredient due to the semi-toxic nature of it.
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