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Your setup looks good, although as a fellow Switch water cooler, I'd recommend going with the XT45 420 in the top (quite a bit more surface area than a 360, actually it's even more than a 480!), or an XSPC EX420 is also an excellent choice for a top radiator. Both fit P-P no problem. For the bottom radiator, I'd recommend the UT60 over the XT45, as you can fit the thicker rad easily (fits with P-P using 120x38mm fans + 20mm-thick Phobya shrouds with room to spare) and it offers more cooling capability.

The Primochill Advanced has been nothing but good for me, in the White color. Recently re-did a friend's loop, in which he uses Gigabyte Orange dye from Mayhem, switching from Duralene which had plasticized and stained after less than a month, to Primochill Advanced clear, and after 2 weeks it has zero staining or plasticizer leaching (looks BRAND new!).


Also, if you're not set on the D5 + D5 Bay Res, you might consider the MCP35X... It's my favorite of all the pumps: compact (1/4th the size of the D5), comes with the absolute best top pre-installed, no need for mod kits or "dress-up" kits or aftermarket tops, it's PWM controlled so it will be virtually silent (I have never had mine go above 50%, even under 100% load on all 12 Threads for my CPU and 100% on my GPU at the same time; and I use very aggressive PWM profile), and a single MCP35X will be able to pump at a higher flow-rate through a more complex loop than a D5, due to the increased head pressure.
I seriously DO NOT understand people saying that the MCP35X is loud... I have two, mounted to an XSPC Single Bay res via Bitspower 90deg Single-Rotary Adapter and Male-Male Coupler (so it is NOT "decoupled" from the case), and there is zero noise as I sit here with my head 3ft from the case (it's sitting on my second desk to the right of me) with the side panels off. My friend, with the Gigabyte Orange loop, has the Koolance dual-DDC single-bay res with 2x MCP35X pumps in it (I had three so I gave him one so he could use both pump spots; what a good friend I am biggrin.gif ), and the only time you can hear the pumps on his computer, which is quieter to begin with (he uses 10x Cougar 120mm 1800rpm fans P-P on his EX360 and UT60 240 rads and 3x Cougar 140mm 1500rpm case fans; I use 6x Bgears Blaster 140mm P-P on EX420, 4x Koolance FAN-12025HBK 2600rpm P-P on my UT60 currently although I also have FAN-12038HBK for it as well, 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 2000rpm 140mm case fans for front intake/interior HDD Cage, Scythe Slipstream 1900rpm 110CFM for rear fan as intake to feed top rad, Delta 80x25mm 3800rpm fan hanging from the top rad's interior aka push fans' fan grill via single zip tie to cool front-side MB VRM's, an 80x15mm 3000rpm 33cfm fan mounted to the MCP35X2-Heatsink keeping the pumps at a constant ~23-25C max, and until I figure out a more elegant solution I have a 120x38mm steel and aluminum 120V AC 4000rpm ~190CFM fan blowing directly onto the motherboard rear VRM plates which have pure-copper BGA RAM-Sinks attached via Fujipoly's thinnest Thermal Tape the 18W/mK kind). Needless to say, my rig can get nice and loud! Fortunately, every single fan is hooked up to my BitFenix Hydra Pro via BitFenix Alchemy sleeved 1x3pin to 3x3pin splitters, Phobya 1x3pin-to-4x3pin sleeved splitters, and a few custom-made and sleeved 1x4pin/3pin to 2x/3x/4x 3/4pin splitters...
With all the fans turned down to as low as they go (730rpm for Bgears, 1250rpm for Koolance, 815rpm for Scythe, 1300rpm for Delta, 1125rpm for 80x15mm) and the AC fan unplugged, everything is completely silent except for a slight "whooshing" of air. ZERO PUMP NOISE!!!!
   
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My advanced LRT 7/16" ID 5/8" OD can slide in to my XSPC & Monsoon 7/16" ID 5/8" OD compression fittings with little effort. I don't think mine will easily slide in to 1/2" fittings though.

Could you please check the 1/2 barb option as well and let me know?

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My advanced LRTs required heating in water and strenght to fit on my Koolance 16/10 fittings. Without heating it would of nearly been impossible.

Sorry, but could you please clarify the exact size of your advanced lrt tube and the koolance fitting you used?
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Your setup looks good, although as a fellow Switch water cooler, I'd recommend going with the XT45 420 in the top (quite a bit more surface area than a 360, actually it's even more than a 480!), or an XSPC EX420 is also an excellent choice for a top radiator. Both fit P-P no problem. For the bottom radiator, I'd recommend the UT60 over the XT45, as you can fit the thicker rad easily (fits with P-P using 120x38mm fans + 20mm-thick Phobya shrouds with room to spare) and it offers more cooling capability.

The Primochill Advanced has been nothing but good for me, in the White color. Recently re-did a friend's loop, in which he uses Gigabyte Orange dye from Mayhem, switching from Duralene which had plasticized and stained after less than a month, to Primochill Advanced clear, and after 2 weeks it has zero staining or plasticizer leaching (looks BRAND new!).


Also, if you're not set on the D5 + D5 Bay Res, you might consider the MCP35X... It's my favorite of all the pumps: compact (1/4th the size of the D5), comes with the absolute best top pre-installed, no need for mod kits or "dress-up" kits or aftermarket tops, it's PWM controlled so it will be virtually silent (I have never had mine go above 50%, even under 100% load on all 12 Threads for my CPU and 100% on my GPU at the same time; and I use very aggressive PWM profile), and a single MCP35X will be able to pump at a higher flow-rate through a more complex loop than a D5, due to the increased head pressure.
I seriously DO NOT understand people saying that the MCP35X is loud... I have two, mounted to an XSPC Single Bay res via Bitspower 90deg Single-Rotary Adapter and Male-Male Coupler (so it is NOT "decoupled" from the case), and there is zero noise as I sit here with my head 3ft from the case (it's sitting on my second desk to the right of me) with the side panels off. My friend, with the Gigabyte Orange loop, has the Koolance dual-DDC single-bay res with 2x MCP35X pumps in it (I had three so I gave him one so he could use both pump spots; what a good friend I am biggrin.gif ), and the only time you can hear the pumps on his computer, which is quieter to begin with (he uses 10x Cougar 120mm 1800rpm fans P-P on his EX360 and UT60 240 rads and 3x Cougar 140mm 1500rpm case fans; I use 6x Bgears Blaster 140mm P-P on EX420, 4x Koolance FAN-12025HBK 2600rpm P-P on my UT60 currently although I also have FAN-12038HBK for it as well, 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 2000rpm 140mm case fans for front intake/interior HDD Cage, Scythe Slipstream 1900rpm 110CFM for rear fan as intake to feed top rad, Delta 80x25mm 3800rpm fan hanging from the top rad's interior aka push fans' fan grill via single zip tie to cool front-side MB VRM's, an 80x15mm 3000rpm 33cfm fan mounted to the MCP35X2-Heatsink keeping the pumps at a constant ~23-25C max, and until I figure out a more elegant solution I have a 120x38mm steel and aluminum 120V AC 4000rpm ~190CFM fan blowing directly onto the motherboard rear VRM plates which have pure-copper BGA RAM-Sinks attached via Fujipoly's thinnest Thermal Tape the 18W/mK kind). Needless to say, my rig can get nice and loud! Fortunately, every single fan is hooked up to my BitFenix Hydra Pro via BitFenix Alchemy sleeved 1x3pin to 3x3pin splitters, Phobya 1x3pin-to-4x3pin sleeved splitters, and a few custom-made and sleeved 1x4pin/3pin to 2x/3x/4x 3/4pin splitters...
With all the fans turned down to as low as they go (730rpm for Bgears, 1250rpm for Koolance, 815rpm for Scythe, 1300rpm for Delta, 1125rpm for 80x15mm) and the AC fan unplugged, everything is completely silent except for a slight "whooshing" of air. ZERO PUMP NOISE!!!!

Thanks for the advice. Do have a pix of your XT45 420 in the 810? If so, can I see what it looks like? Yeah, the UT60 240 is the rad that I was going to use in the bottom in P/P. I am hopping that the new Adv LRT tubing can hold up. Does anyone that is using the Bloodshed Red tubing have some pix of it in there rig? An yes I am almost set in the D5 + D5 Bay Res combo...sorry. Here is the last one....what is the consensus on additives to the distilled water? Killcoil, Pt Nuke???
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I actually use the EX420, not the XT45, but the difference in thickness is only a small amount (7mm or so)....






D5 is not a bad choice of pump at all, it really comes down to preference in the end. Plus with a bay res, you won't have to worry about buying a new top or a mod kit, wasn't thinking about that wink.gif

As for additives, I would advice PT-Nuke PHN (pH Neutral) and NO silver "kill coil". It's kept my water/loop crystal clear, and one little bottle is enough for years and years (literally; I only needed about 4 drops for my loop, but I gave it an extra 2 just in case). It seems to act as a pH buffer as well, not just being pH Neutral itself, as my water went from a pH of 6.75 to 7.001 after just 72hrs of it circulating! After a month, it was 6.999. It has evened out at 7 +/- .002, which is darn impressive!
   
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I actually use the EX420, not the XT45, but the difference in thickness is only a small amount (7mm or so)....






D5 is not a bad choice of pump at all, it really comes down to preference in the end. Plus with a bay res, you won't have to worry about buying a new top or a mod kit, wasn't thinking about that wink.gif

As for additives, I would advice PT-Nuke PHN (pH Neutral) and NO silver "kill coil". It's kept my water/loop crystal clear, and one little bottle is enough for years and years (literally; I only needed about 4 drops for my loop, but I gave it an extra 2 just in case). It seems to act as a pH buffer as well, not just being pH Neutral itself, as my water went from a pH of 6.75 to 7.001 after just 72hrs of it circulating! After a month, it was 6.999. It has evened out at 7 +/- .002, which is darn impressive!

What is a better...ex420 or xt420? What did u use to come off the rad with fitting wise? Can u give a good pic of the fill port, and how u did it? I have been looking for someone that has that done to a 810 for a long time. What parts did u use as well. Does anyone else have a say in the additive or tubing ATM? There isn't much talk going on any more. Is everyone just so happy with the new adv tubing that there isn't much to say anymore?
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Could you please check the 1/2 barb option as well and let me know?

Thanks...
I don't have one to try though. Sorry.
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So, I have a loop in an 800D that I refreshed in August last year, used for about a month, and then it sat for 8.5 months while I was deployed.
I took it all apart yesterday, and was surprised to note that, while some of the tubing had some plasticizer build up on it, it wasn't near as bad as I thought it was. The tubing was a combination of reused and newly installed, with the reuse stuff coming from when I first built the machine in 2011, and I used some new tubing when I put two GTX 680s in the machine last year.

The fittings were all clean on the inside, the CPU block was slightly corroded, but otherwise free of any build up, and the reservoir was fairly clear, as well (pictures to follow when able.)
Tubing is all Tygon (exact type will be noted when I can dig up my receipt), fluid was Koolance clear LIQ-705.

I was expecting the worst, because it had sat for a long time, but if I hadn' t needed to take the loop apart to grab the two video cards and CPU block I had in it, I could have ran it as is for a few more months.
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I don't have one to try though. Sorry.

No problem, thanks for your feedback thumb.gif
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What is a better...ex420 or xt420? What did u use to come off the rad with fitting wise? Can u give a good pic of the fill port, and how u did it? I have been looking for someone that has that done to a 810 for a long time. What parts did u use as well. Does anyone else have a say in the additive or tubing ATM? There isn't much talk going on any more. Is everyone just so happy with the new adv tubing that there isn't much to say anymore?


Here are the best pics I have at the moment:






However, I am NOT using that Swiftech 4-way fitting block, as it was a POS and I hate it and it's terrible. I switched to a Primochill acrylic "T" fitting instead, which is infinitely better.


As for which is the better radiator... The EX420 will have more cooling power if you don't mind using stronger fans (Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm 103cfm/3.5mmH2O), and it is slimmer; however, 19 split fins per inch (i.e. 38 fins per linear inch between tubes) simply can't be beat for surface area! The XT45 will work better sub-1200rpm and is thicker, and while it is just ~10-12fpi, this is made up for in part by the use of full copper fins/tubes/tanks.

Price:Performance, I'd buy the EX420 again if I had to pick, and stick with the 6x Bgears Blasters in Push-Pull. I would highly recommend the Phobya 140x140x7mm Radiator Fan Shrouds/Decouplers, for use between the bottom/inside fans (Push Fans) and radiator, as it reduces noise a bit and increases performance a bit.
   
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