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Edited by dr/owned - 7/24/13 at 2:49am
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Yeah, I don't think we can really blame it all on tubing. I've only been into water cooling for a bit over a year and I know that everyone recommends cleaning the loop at least once a year, I would never run my loop for over a year without changing the liquid and inspecting the tubing/blocks. tongue.gif

good work thumb.gif, You never leave the loop alone in the dark without doing maintenance. any loop/hardware will going to get damage. Many poeple keep telling others that water loop won't need maintenance. Really? you just put oil,gas,tires and etc.. in a car once? no right. so anything must have maintenance I mean anything. when you don't, this is the result. I may be pick or have OCD but getting used hardware for use with some new parts never going to happen with me. I prefer not to have.because many won't do it right or they don't do it because they don't want to.
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Been running Danger Den Dreamflex 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD blue uv tubing with EK Coolant Blue UV since Nov 2011 without flush. I upgraded my GPUs last month so I drained my loop, installed and connected the GPUs, and filled it back up. Upon starting the pump, I almost immediately noticed little flakes swirling around my res. I thought nothing of it, and left it alone.

Yeah, guess what happened to me this past week?

CPU all of sudden spiked to 95C on load for no reason. Upon inspection, flow was completely stuck at CPU block. After Googling around for possible causes, plasticizer kept on popping up (it was the first I ever heard of it). This is my second water-cooling rig, and I never had to flush my previous rig that ran for 7 years (clear tubing from hardware store + distilled water & MCT-5 coolant additive). I bit the bullet proceeded to do a complete tear-down. I am shocked that any vendor selling PC water cooling components would allow such products to be released. As a result of plasticizer leeching from tubing and having not flushed my radiators prior to installing them, I am now having to RMA two cards (because I can't clean the GPU blocks without voiding the warranty), clean CPU block, and completely flush rads with soap + hot water w/ distilled water rinse.

At the moment, I am completely rebuilding my loop (new Durelene tubing, distilled + silver only, new higher flow CPU block, and scrubbing every fitting). Here are some of my plasticizer buildup + possible radiator flakes, and what it did to my EK Supreme block. I hope everyone can learn from my mistake of using Danger Den Dreamflex blue UV tubing + EK coolant blue UV reactive (or anything of the sort). Don't use that combination unless you want this to happen to you:





Complete blockage






Plasticizer samples from CPU block and tube


This one I scraped off a single tube.


I used these plasticizer samples to see what would dissolve them. Vinegar doesn't do anything to it. However, a de-greaser does dissolve it. I put a couple d drops of Arctic Thermal Material Remover on a small sample, and it immediately started breaking it down. I'd like to know what effect degreasers have on nickel, copper, rubber orings, and plastics.
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Hmmm, I might need to disassemble the blocks sometime in winter then. That looks scary
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I know I'll be doing my 6-month checkup on my water-cooling setup here in about a week. Been running Durelene and Koolance UV coolant, so interested to see how things look. Will be doing a full report on here when I get it torn apart and look at the tubing. System been mainly running 24/7 since, with maybe a few days here and there with it shut off.
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Seems that Primochill tubes have this plasticizer issue whereas XSPC doesn't. Looks like i'll be using XSPC for my next loop.

Out of these 2 tubing, which one should I get?

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_853&products_id=22670 (2m)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_853&products_id=17027 (1m)
Edited by magicase - 7/16/13 at 5:21pm
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Seems that Primochill tubes have this plasticizer issue whereas XSPC doesn't. Looks like i'll be using XSPC for my next loop.

Out of these 2 tubing, which one should I get?

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_853&products_id=22670 (2m)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_853&products_id=17027 (1m)
Primochill Advanced LRT tubes so far free from plasticizer. The old one Primochill Pro LRT tubes have plasticizer problem.
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Primochill Advanced LRT tubes so far free from plasticizer. The old one Primochill Pro LRT tubes have plasticizer problem.

Just switched out mine as well to the advanced, used the Pro with only distilled/killcoil/swiftech hydryx for around 6mths and the build up was pretty bad.
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good work thumb.gif, You never leave the loop alone in the dark without doing maintenance. any loop/hardware will going to get damage. Many poeple keep telling others that water loop won't need maintenance. Really? you just put oil,gas,tires and etc.. in a car once? no right. so anything must have maintenance I mean anything. when you don't, this is the result. I may be pick or have OCD but getting used hardware for use with some new parts never going to happen with me. I prefer not to have.because many won't do it right or they don't do it because they don't want to.

Yes, I've made these changes to prevent this from happening again:
1) Reworked my loop to easily flush my system from an external pump / filter for easy maintenance going forward.
2) Added a pre-filter in my res to catch mechanical debris.
3) Yearly Maintenance - flushing my system with vinegar, inspect tubing, temperature patterns, and flow rates through blocks.

Show of hands - how many people here disassemble their CPU and GPU blocks for cleaning?

Lastly, to the radiator makers: SELL YOUR RADIATORS PRE-FLUSHED. We shouldn't need to do this.
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Show of hands - how many people here disassemble their CPU and GPU blocks for cleaning?
Many people actually. In our local WC forum alone, almost all people disassemble & clean their blocks. Even new blocks go through same process.
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Many people actually. In our local WC forum alone, almost all people disassemble & clean their blocks. Even new blocks go through same process.

Even brand new blocks get disassembled and cleaned? That is overkill unless you buy a block from an untrusted brand. Usually manufactures are pretty good at making sure the block internals are spotless before packaging.

Also, EVGA HydroCopper voids your warranty if you open the block up - which doesn't make any sense. How are you supposed to clean these without breaking the warranty on the entire card?
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