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Originally Posted by Nano5656 View Post

Will it be noticeable through clear tube with dye in it?
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Originally Posted by wermad View Post

go with colored tube mate. So far this has not affected ppls loop, it just looks $hi77y tbh. Even though colored tube maybe affected you won't notice it visually thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by superericla View Post

I've used my clear primochill with blue mayhem's dye. Whatever clouding or plasticizing the tubing does will be the same color as the dye used, due to the dye dying the inside of the tubing.

I agree, colored tubings just don't look as good as tubings with dyes running in them.

It's noticeable.. enough to a point where it made me change to red and blue Promochill Pro LRT tubings...

I've used Promochill Pro LRT clear with Mayhem's blue and red dyes (2 separate loop), both have left a film in my tubing's and was noticeable after about a month, worse as time went by, but does not dye my tubing's or parts, it might have been the batch you used..

Which also proves what I said earlier, trying to get a clear tubing that won't leech seems to be not about brand, more so about luck I guess...
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My experience is that "Made in China" doesn't mean the same thing anymore. Quality has gone up in many aspects, just look at Honda engine knock offs. That being said, Chinese companies, as do most Asian companies, rely on price for continuing sales, not customer service. We all know the problems whenever our only avenue of seeking resolution to an issue is direct with someone in Asia, be it China, Japan, Korea, India etc. You either receive no answer at all (usually) or something that is translated so poorly it is virtually no help anyway.
The truth is that they do not have anywhere near what we in the west expect in the way of customer service, and we let them get away with it as we still usually go with the cheapest, not the best solution.
Asian companies with reps in Europe and North America are a little better, however, at the end of the day, the western reps must do as they are told, and the owners are not really going to worry about whether you and I are happy. They don't need to be and they know it. Our capitalist society has allowed the proliferation of the big box stores that rely on the cheap prices sweat shops and child labor delivers. Where are the dissidents who led the boycotts of the 80s against such companies as Nike? Going to Walmart like the rest of us.

Very well said my friend.. !! thumb.gif
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I do not...

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...concur. snoopsmh.gif

In any case I do like the look of dyes but... cheers.gif

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My experience is that "Made in China" doesn't mean the same thing anymore. Quality has gone up in many aspects, just look at Honda engine knock offs.
I've googled that and it seems many disagree about the Honda knock offs.
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That being said, Chinese companies, as do most Asian companies, rely on price for continuing sales, not customer service.
Japanese, Taiwanese and South Korean manufacturers have a total different attitude than their chinese counterparts. Chinese owned factories with chinese managment vs foreign owned facories with foreign managment are in general two different things. When did you last buy a 100% chinese product of good quality? They do of course exist, but if you buy good quality "Made in China" products they will usually come from a factory that have foreigners involved at one or more levels (owner, managment, quality control).

The problem with buying tubing from a wholly owned and operated chinese factory (if that is what Primochill does) is you don't really know what you get. First delivery is OK. Maybe the second. But then, at some point and somewhere in the manufacturing chain, someone will try to increase profit margins. Maybe the tubing manufacturer, maybe one of it's suppliers. If you (the purchaser) don't notice the first costcutting change they may make more costcutting changes. Sooner or later you, or your customers, will notice.

If you like to learn more I suggest you read Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the Tactics Behind China's Production Game. The book is informativ and fun to read. You can read the first chapter for free and learn how the chinese set up a virtual factory.
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When did you last buy a 100% chinese product of good quality? They do of course exist, but if you buy good quality "Made in China" products they will usually come from a factory that have foreigners involved at one or more levels (owner, managment, quality control).

When I bought my Champion generator last year.
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If you like to learn more I suggest you read Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the Tactics Behind China's Production Game. The book is informativ and fun to read. You can read the first chapter for free and learn how the chinese set up a virtual factory.

No thanks. I know what I know by experience. Cyberlink. DFI, Gigabyte, etc. I already have enough first hand knowledge.
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I was using Primochill 1/4" with only distilled water and a silver coil.. The water in the res is clear and not cloudy but the tubing ended up looking like poop after only a few weeks.

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When I bought my Champion generator last year......No thanks. I know what I know by experience. Cyberlink. DFI, Gigabyte, etc. I already have enough first hand knowledge.
That's one US and three Taiwanese companies. Like I wrote "....if you buy good quality "Made in China" products they will usually come from a factory that have foreigners involved at one or more levels (owner, managment, quality control)."
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Close enough.
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we use a lot of clearflex tubing. Its not a top named brand how ever it doesn't leach as much as the higher priced counter parts and is 1/4 of the cost. Its has what i would consider a "good" bend radius (not the best, but good enough for water cooling.)

It does slowly go cloudy how ever when i say slowly i mean it takes a good few months but the cloudyness is no were near what ive seen in this thread.
post #619 of 3087
Got some replacement tube today. I'm going with colored tube as I .don't have faith in clear at this point.
post #620 of 3087
Apparently the Radiator I got had dye put through it or something. Had to pull the outlet tube from my CPU block and the tube has a kind of aquamarine color to it. But my Res is crystal clear. So it's either dye or plasticizer. mellowsmiley.gif

I woulda got a pic of the tube but I don't have any real length left where I could replace it. frown.gif

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