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Just checked after pulling my AMS rad out and after roughly two days with just distilled alone, light load (if any) and varying pump speeds the pic is the outcome. Essentially a simple leak test session while still cleaning the loop. Prior to installation, the rad underwent a full vinegar flush (though it was rather spotless) and loop was in process with plain ol' distilled, no coil, nuke, lucky charm or an eye of newt.

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The above pic is of fairly low quality but the zip tie through the tubing can be seen just fine through the lower/new and ever so slightly in the top. Tubing is Primochill UV RED, PrimoFlex­™ PRO LRT, 7/16" ID 5/8" OD. It was a recent purchase from Frozen as early as last month along with more tubing of the same brand, just different colors.

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Whenever you have a bad economy companies find ways to cut costs, notice how they changed their advertising from "Plasticizer Free" to "results may vary"?
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Probably has something to do with researchers and marketing team figuring they may be liable for a "false advertisement" lawsuit. Regardless of the nature, I still think Promochill Pro LRT is good tubing until another company has proved to me otherwise.
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Probably has something to do with researchers and marketing team figuring they may be liable for a "false advertisement" lawsuit. Regardless of the nature, I still think Promochill Pro LRT is good tubing until another company has proved to me otherwise.

This. My tubing is a little green inside. But I've seen none of the telltale white/yellowing that comes from plasticizer. I don't know though. I'm still a n00b at this so maybe the green hue in my tubing is plasticizer. But it sure doesn't look anything like the pics being shown around here in regards to the issue. thumb.gif

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Probably has something to do with researchers and marketing team figuring they may be liable for a "false advertisement" lawsuit. Regardless of the nature, I still think Promochill Pro LRT is good tubing until another company has proved to me otherwise.

Why does it take a company to prove anything, the proof is staring you in the face in the form of residue coating the inner part of the tubing. Primochill took an aggressive and short sighted quick decision and stated it's not our products that is to blame and they did this without any kind of tests, like saying to bad so sad it's your problem now. They didn't even attempt to make things right by working with the customer in any way, just a cold shoulder. So when you say, "is good tubing" kind of sounds ridiculous.
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Why does it take a company to prove anything, the proof is staring you in the face in the form of residue coating the inner part of the tubing. Primochill took an aggressive and short sighted quick decision and stated it's not our products that is to blame and they did this without any kind of tests, like saying to bad so sad it's your problem now. They didn't even attempt to make things right by working with the customer in any way, just a cold shoulder. So when you say, "is good tubing" kind of sounds ridiculous.

LOL they did no testing? And how do you know this? I can tell you for 100% sure they have been doing testing on the tubing since this whole thing started.

The statement you just made is all false info and that's what hurts this thread. I myself have sent many samples to there labs of tubing and water. And know the owner personally and speak with him all the time on the issue. Trust me there is nothing he wants more then this issue resolved. They never changed there tubing.I have tested old stuff he had laying around from years ago to brand new stuff not even released yet. They have a lab that has been testing the water and testing the bad tubing along as the good. I have also been testing at least 100 feet of different tubing in different ways.
He did tell me what was found in a few tests but i cant remember all the chemicals that he found so i am not even going to try and post them in case i say the wrong thing. I have found for 100% sure that copper sulphate destroys the tubing really fast.

But please if going to post something like that about a company at least know what you are talking about. Fact is Primochill /Tyler Industries does Test there tubing and has been working on this problem since it came about. And also they never changed there tubing! The only new tubing they have you will know when you see it.It will be released shortly.

Also lets not forget this is happening with just about every brand of tubing .Just some take a little longer to cloud is all then others.

I still have 2 loops running now testing to tubing and got a Huge filter setup now but i still have nothing new to say. It does seem though some rolls are better then others.

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I am entitled to my opinion as a paying customer, I'm happy with it regardless of the problems I have with it, it flakes, whoopie dee doo.. It's not gunking up my blocks and I still have the same flow as I did since day one.. so all in all, ITS GOOD TUBING !!

I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, Thank You for yours...
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I am entitled to my opinion as a paying customer, I'm happy with it regardless of the problems I have with it, it flakes, whoopie dee doo.. It's not gunking up my blocks and I still have the same flow as I did since day one.. so all in all, ITS GOOD TUBING !!
I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, Thank You for yours...

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I will point out, once again, the promise made to me to send me new tubing that never arrived. May have been lost in the mail, but, I rather doubt it. Even if it had been, there was no effort to send more when informed it never arrived. Any company that makes promises and then does not live up to them, or, at least make a reasonable attempt to live up to them, loses my confidence and my business. My actions alone will have no impact on Primochill, however, by letting people know, it may influence other folks buying decision. That is why customer service should remain important.
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LOL they did no testing? And how do you know this? I can tell you for 100% sure they have been doing testing on the tubing since this whole thing started.
The statement you just made is all false info and that's what hurts this thread. I myself have sent many samples to there labs of tubing and water. And know the owner personally and speak with him all the time on the issue. Trust me there is nothing he wants more then this issue resolved. They never changed there tubing.I have tested old stuff he had laying around from years ago to brand new stuff not even released yet. They have a lab that has been testing the water and testing the bad tubing along as the good. I have also been testing at least 100 feet of different tubing in different ways.
He did tell me what was found in a few tests but i cant remember all the chemicals that he found so i am not even going to try and post them in case i say the wrong thing. I have found for 100% sure that copper sulphate destroys the tubing really fast.
But please if going to post something like that about a company at least know what you are talking about. Fact is Primochill /Tyler Industries does Test there tubing and has been working on this problem since it came about. And also they never changed there tubing! The only new tubing they have you will know when you see it.It will be released shortly.
Also lets not forget this is happening with just about every brand of tubing .Just some take a little longer to cloud is all then others.
I still have 2 loops running now testing to tubing and got a Huge filter setup now but i still have nothing new to say. It does seem though some rolls are better then others.
Thanks

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I can only speak from my experience, are you telling me that Primochill is about to release a fix for the current clouding issues?
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Another update. Last week I fitted a new graphics card and the tubing was still free from deposits. However I had a lot of problems bleeding the pumps, particularly getting air out of the second one. I (eventually) worked out there was likely to be a blockage somewhere and when I dismantled the Kryos it had large deposits of gunk like very fine hair and stained black which was seriously reducing flow rates.

This is the first time I've inspected the block in a year but I'm pretty certain that although there's no deposits on the tubing that there's a good chance that it's plasticiser building up slowly over that period.

After cleaning and refitting I was able to bleed the loop without a problem and the flow rates are noticeably a lot higher. The graphics card was after the CPU in the loop and the load temps for it have dropped substantially from 46ºC to 34ºC in an 18ºC ambient.
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