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post #701 of 3087
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I'm just going to hop in here and ask a nubbish question. Apart from the Tygon® Plasticizer Free Tubing ( which is crazy expensive.) is there any tubing which is having less issues with leeching. I started with the junk that came with the xspc rasa kit. 3 weeks and it was like this Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I switched to some masterkleer clear UV tubing. When i first installed it. ( nice and clear)
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A week later then i installed my 670 and its already starting to cloud.
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Are there any ways to minimise the leeching/ postpone it?( Im running with deionised and mayhem biocide.) Would it be worth getting some distilled and killcoil? Will it make ANY difference wtsoever?
Or are any other kinds of tubing taking longer to cloud? Idealy i would like clear UV Blue tubing if possible because of the look. But it seems there are not any options that wont just cloud up and look terrible. Even if it took a few months to cloud i wouldn't mind replacing the tubing every so often, just one week takes the piss.

There is, solid copper tubing that's chrome plated will not cloud! biggrin.gif
post #702 of 3087
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Nice I like how you mounted the PSU up front, also I don't think I have ever seen someone fit two 360's in a case that size before. I forgot what pump you were going to use? A DDC would be a better choice since your running restrictive water blocks, I also like that sparkle blue tubing! It will be interesting to find out if Primochill tubing is still clouding up given it's a new color of tubing.

Its been done quite a bit but most actually stick it in the front drive bays. I was going that rout but I'm loosing a lot of space to stick my hdd/ssd in. After some careful measuring it fit like a charm. One of the guys did an inverted mb and cut the drive bays to slide the psu there. I didn't want to hack my case so I just squeezed it in as best I could and it did fit smile.gif.

I am running a DDC 3.2 with an XSPC top. Its been powering through many of my other and more complex builds (including quad sli).
post #703 of 3087
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There is, solid copper tubing that's chrome plated will not cloud! biggrin.gif

well that sucks. I suppose my mums bf if a plumber, might just get him to do it in some nice metal wink.gif haha
post #704 of 3087
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well that sucks. I suppose my mums bf if a plumber, might just get him to do it in some nice metal wink.gif haha

Zander, that is EXACTLY how my tubes look after a month or so.

I've been doing a hell of a lot of research on this, and I can pretty safely say, inhibitors, kill coils, or dye is not the problem. It's got to be the tubing leaking plasticizer. I've tried running my loop on distilled only, distilled with dye, distilled with kill coil and dye. All give the same effect.

I'm currently running my loop on the soft Aberdeen tap water we have here lol!. After 4 months, It's just the same as distilled.

However!.

This browny white gunk, it cleans off REAL easy, and you can have the tubing looking like new, I've done it about 3 times now, each time I do it it takes longer to return, I've also changed some tubing and added fresh bits which no doubt sets me back. My theory on this is that once the crap has leeched out, they'll see clear for good. Last flush was about 4 days ago, so heres to hoping smile.gif.

TUBE CLEANING:

This is how I return my tubes to normal. Everyone must have those metal wire coathangers at home, you know?, the one's you can untwist into a long peice of wire. I simply untwist the coathanger, find an old peice of sock or cloth, and tie it to the end, rather like a bandana, if you get it right, you can have the ball of the knot just slightly larger than the ID of the tubing. Simply wet the tubing and the peice of cloth on the coathanger, apply some ordinary dish soap, and proceed to rod them thoroughly. Rinse and check before finishing and you'll have brand spanking clear tubes again.
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post #705 of 3087
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Zander, that is EXACTLY how my tubes look after a month or so.
I've been doing a hell of a lot of research on this, and I can pretty safely say, inhibitors, kill coils, or dye is not the problem. It's got to be the tubing leaking plasticizer. I've tried running my loop on distilled only, distilled with dye, distilled with kill coil and dye. All give the same effect.
I'm currently running my loop on the soft Aberdeen tap water we have here lol!. After 4 months, It's just the same as distilled.
However!.
This browny white gunk, it cleans off REAL easy, and you can have the tubing looking like new, I've done it about 3 times now, each time I do it it takes longer to return, I've also changed some tubing and added fresh bits which no doubt sets me back. My theory on this is that once the crap has leeched out, they'll see clear for good. Last flush was about 4 days ago, so heres to hoping smile.gif.
TUBE CLEANING:
This is how I return my tubes to normal. Everyone must have those metal wire coathangers at home, you know?, the one's you can untwist into a long peice of wire. I simply untwist the coathanger, find an old peice of sock or cloth, and tie it to the end, rather like a bandana, if you get it right, you can have the ball of the knot just slightly larger than the ID of the tubing. Simply wet the tubing and the peice of cloth on the coathanger, apply some ordinary dish soap, and proceed to rod them thoroughly. Rinse and check before finishing and you'll have brand spanking clear tubes again.

was going to say mate running it on soft water isn't really a good idea. Although it wont effect the tubes persay, it will cause your block to gunk up/corrode! get it out nowwww tongue.gif youll have to take apart your block in order to see the damage ( it might not be now, but further down the line you will start to get problems. I would say if you cant get distilled, go and buy some deionised water from halford/a car parts shop ( its called battery water).

On another note i think your onto something there. I assume there is only so much plasticiser that can leech out, so once you have run it for a few months you can probably assume that the majority has leeched. I will defo be giving this a go. I assumed that the plasticiser somewhat clung to the tubing. But if its that easy to get off ill probs break down my loop in a few months time ( before i46 tongue.gif) and give it a good old clean
post #706 of 3087
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was going to say mate running it on soft water isn't really a good idea. Although it wont effect the tubes persay, it will cause your block to gunk up/corrode! get it out nowwww tongue.gif youll have to take apart your block in order to see the damage ( it might not be now, but further down the line you will start to get problems. I would say if you cant get distilled, go and buy some deionised water from halford/a car parts shop ( its called battery water).
On another note i think your onto something there. I assume there is only so much plasticiser that can leech out, so once you have run it for a few months you can probably assume that the majority has leeched. I will defo be giving this a go. I assumed that the plasticiser somewhat clung to the tubing. But if its that easy to get off ill probs break down my loop in a few months time ( before i46 tongue.gif) and give it a good old clean


It's hard water that'll cause problems. I've been on it for months, soft tap water like here in the hills shouldn't be any different from distilled really, all water is eventually going to be the same after time in a loop. The moment you pour distilled into the plastic bottle its already contaminated. De-ionised will grab back it's ions from your components and anything it touches. So long as the water isn't hard. There shouldn't be any problems using tap water really, but again, totally depends on the supply and it's quality.

Yeah it scubs off to new in no time. Hopefully there is a point where it can leech no more. I'll keep monitoring mine.
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post #707 of 3087
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was going to say mate running it on soft water isn't really a good idea. Although it wont effect the tubes persay, it will cause your block to gunk up/corrode! get it out nowwww tongue.gif youll have to take apart your block in order to see the damage ( it might not be now, but further down the line you will start to get problems. I would say if you cant get distilled, go and buy some deionised water from halford/a car parts shop ( its called battery water).
On another note i think your onto something there. I assume there is only so much plasticiser that can leech out, so once you have run it for a few months you can probably assume that the majority has leeched. I will defo be giving this a go. I assumed that the plasticiser somewhat clung to the tubing. But if its that easy to get off ill probs break down my loop in a few months time ( before i46 tongue.gif) and give it a good old clean


It's hard water that'll cause problems. I've been on it for months, soft tap water like here in the hills shouldn't be any different from distilled really, all water is eventually going to be the same after time in a loop. The moment you pour distilled into the plastic bottle its already contaminated. De-ionised will grab back it's ions from your components and anything it touches. So long as the water isn't hard. There shouldn't be any problems using tap water really, but again, totally depends on the supply and it's quality.

Yeah it scubs off to new in no time. Hopefully there is a point where it can leech no more. I'll keep monitoring mine.

You might take a run over to Martin's Liquid Labs and check out his water review. Might change your mind somewhat. Yeah the interior of the jug does leave some impurities in the Distilled, but nothing close to the impurities that attach themselves to common Tap water. thinking.gif

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My primochill Had terrible problems. Stained some of my acrylic had to hardcore polish it out.

Never again. Swapped to feser red again. No stains, but stains your hands on the outside.
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I've been running the Primochill for a few days. I'm breaking down my rig this weekend since I need access to redo some wiring frown.gif. I'll check it then to see if it has plasticize.
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I got some clear Masterkleer tubing in today. I'll let you know how it holds up in a few weeks.
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