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who want to share The Excelthane Polyurethane Tubing supposedly contains no plasticizer, but is only sold in 25' intervals. with me for testing i can order it and when it get here i can cut half of the length 12'.6 Feet and ship it for who want to share it with me ( partner must pay the shipping cost for he's half) Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/8in. OD

shipped to my home any price paid should be fear split fear for both partner.

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Excelthane tubing is the answer when you need flexible polyurethane tubing that has high tear strength and superior abrasion resistance as well as weather resistance. Add in its clarity and ability to withstand extreme temperatures from -100°F to 200°F, and you’ve got an excellent alternative to rubber and plastic materials. Made of a tough, ester-based polyurethane, Excelthane contains no plasticizer that can cause flow contamination or tube hardening. Excelthane polyurethane tubing is great for oils, greases, fuels and many chemicals, making it ideal for a variety of applications, from transfer of abrasive products to pneumatic lines and cable jacketing. And, it meets FDA criteria for use in food and beverage applications. The combination of product flexibility and manufacturing to tight tolerances allows the Excelthane tubing to attach with ease to standard industry fittings. Durometer is 81 Shore A, specific gravity is 1.20, and tensile strength is 6,050 PSI.

So i guess we found alternative tubing but we need to test it ourselves.

Thanks Falknir post #738 for point us in this direction.
Edited by skyn3t - 6/9/12 at 7:34am
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That product is ester-based polyurethane. Water attacks it.

I think you want this instead, but in the pictures it's not very transparent.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=83856&catid=717
    
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That product is ester-based polyurethane. Water attacks it.
I think you want this instead, but in the pictures it's not very transparent.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=83856&catid=717

I just inveted Martinm210 to visit us in this thread to give us some advice on whether to choice or not i know its kind off difficult but worth the try and i know are so many brand's out there to choice and see if its works or not without the Plasticizer Problems.
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I just inveted Martinm210 to visit us in this thread to give us some advice on whether to choice or not i know its kind off difficult but worth the try and i know are so many brand's out there to choice and see if its works or not without the Plasticizer Problems.

You guys have more experience with tubing than I have, but I can share the tubing I've used and give you a quick 2c clouding report:

Tygon 3603 - Have had clouding problems, particularly when used with dyes/glycols. Like the durometer, but hated the clouding, typically wanted to replace it after 3 months of use.

Duralene (Saint Gobain) from SWC - Not quite as flexible as the Tygon 3603, but good enough, very low cost and I've run this in water systems for very long periods of time without any clouding issues. This stuff get's my vote for best bang for the buck tubing that doesn't cloud much.

Feser Tube UV colored - I've used blue and green in this in the larger 1/2" x 3/4" size also for extended periods of time in water/PT nuke systems for 2 years without any problems at all. The smaller thinner stuff didn't have clouding issues, but it did get rather stiff compared to the larger size stuff that remained good even after years of use. Only issue I've had is the dye from one tube can transfer onto other tubes when it's very fresh, but it's good stuff...really like it other than the cost.

Home Depot PVC - Total crap, clouds up almost instantly and way too stiff to use, it can get you by in a pinch when you are out of tubing, but this stuff is not at all fun to use.

XSPC UV colored tube - I've used a little bit of this and also didn't have any clouding problems, but it was a bit stiff in durometer for my liking.

That's all I've used and while I have had clouding issues, I've never seen anything to the extent in these threads where a solid white film has formed. Mine has always been more of a translucent clouding issue and seem to be associated with using coolants other than distilled water/PTnuke type solutions. I'm no chemist, but there's all sorts of possibilities between the tubing and many of the coolants out there considering the number of chemicals present and mixed. Never tried Primochill tubing although I've heard good things about it's flexibility.

Hope that helps..
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You guys have more experience with tubing than I have, but I can share the tubing I've used and give you a quick 2c clouding report:
Tygon 3603 - Have had clouding problems, particularly when used with dyes/glycols. Like the durometer, but hated the clouding, typically wanted to replace it after 3 months of use.
Duralene (Saint Gobain) from SWC - Not quite as flexible as the Tygon 3603, but good enough, very low cost and I've run this in water systems for very long periods of time without any clouding issues. This stuff get's my vote for best bang for the buck tubing that doesn't cloud much.
Feser Tube UV colored - I've used blue and green in this in the larger 1/2" x 3/4" size also for extended periods of time in water/PT nuke systems for 2 years without any problems at all. The smaller thinner stuff didn't have clouding issues, but it did get rather stiff compared to the larger size stuff that remained good even after years of use. Only issue I've had is the dye from one tube can transfer onto other tubes when it's very fresh, but it's good stuff...really like it other than the cost.
Home Depot PVC - Total crap, clouds up almost instantly and way too stiff to use, it can get you by in a pinch when you are out of tubing, but this stuff is not at all fun to use.
XSPC UV colored tube - I've used a little bit of this and also didn't have any clouding problems, but it was a bit stiff in durometer for my liking.
That's all I've used and while I have had clouding issues, I've never seen anything to the extent in these threads where a solid white film has formed. Mine has always been more of a translucent clouding issue and seem to be associated with using coolants other than distilled water/PTnuke type solutions. I'm no chemist, but there's all sorts of possibilities between the tubing and many of the coolants out there considering the number of chemicals present and mixed. Never tried Primochill tubing although I've heard good things about it's flexibility.
Hope that helps..
Martin

Thanks Martinm210, for your time and effort to provide us some value information about your experience in your choice and knowledge about Plasticizer Problems you have had in the past, what tube you had had issues with cloud and stiff.

PS: sorry for my typ0 : Invited , you already had quoted my post before me.
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I think that these vendors are pretty much picking up their product from the same source and could give a rip about the plasticizer issue.

It's not like we can just leave the tubing out of the loop and they know it. So they'll continue to get their tubing from their source and continue to rake in the money cause they know they got us over a barrel. That's the sad reality of it I think. jealoussmiley.gif

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I think that these vendors are pretty much picking up their product from the same source and could give a rip about the plasticizer issue.
It's not like we can just leave the tubing out of the loop and they know it. So they'll continue to get their tubing from their source and continue to rake in the money cause they know they got us over a barrel. That's the sad reality of it I think. jealoussmiley.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

They probably all get it run off in the same factory in China that's set up to produce any mix they want, and they'll keep going with the cheapest mix for the product they want to sell. I'm interested in some of these automotive alternatives people have been posting that're oil and gas resistant though. I'm thinking about swapping half of my solid white tubing out with some clear and trying some dyes in the future, if that ever happens that's what I'll be using. Too many plans on my plate right now to make promises though.
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I think that these vendors are pretty much picking up their product from the same source and could give a rip about the plasticizer issue.
It's not like we can just leave the tubing out of the loop and they know it. So they'll continue to get their tubing from their source and continue to rake in the money cause they know they got us over a barrel. That's the sad reality of it I think. jealoussmiley.gif
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This ^
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They probably all get it run off in the same factory in China that's set up to produce any mix they want, and they'll keep going with the cheapest mix for the product they want to sell. I'm interested in some of these automotive alternatives people have been posting that're oil and gas resistant though. I'm thinking about swapping half of my solid white tubing out with some clear and trying some dyes in the future, if that ever happens that's what I'll be using. Too many plans on my plate right now to make promises though.

This ^


PS: I'm thinking in stop chasing new tube and going after Ceadderman hes never pass the Beer i will forced to take it using a brutal force thumb.gif
Edited by skyn3t - 6/9/12 at 1:15pm
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Duralene (Saint Gobain) from SWC - Not quite as flexible as the Tygon 3603, but good enough, very low cost and I've run this in water systems for very long periods of time without any clouding issues. This stuff get's my vote for best bang for the buck tubing that doesn't cloud much.

Looks like I've found the tubing I'm going to use. If Martin gives the thumbs up, then that carries some serious weight. Not to mention, HOLY CRAP is this stuff cheap. 69 cents per foot? Putting my order in now...
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Looks like I've found the tubing I'm going to use. If Martin gives the thumbs up, then that carries some serious weight. Not to mention, HOLY CRAP is this stuff cheap. 69 cents per foot? Putting my order in now...

Ordered that same stuff 2 days ago after hours of researching online. Seems that this stuff clouds up the slowest and maintains it's clarity the longest. I wouldn't be against paying more for tubing that will never cloud up/ is plasticizer free, but I simply couldn't find it. That said, 69 cents a foot is fantastic biggrin.gif

Hopefully I'm happy with it.
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