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Like i promised the testing and here we are with all I could put together but if you guys have any other input to mix this stuff just let me know. All bottle has a peace of kill coil in it and some with Distilled and others with tap water and off course Mayhems Red Dye. All bottles are labeled and i will going to set all the bottle in my window bay this way it will emulate a bit of warm water and one more thing the water in the bottle are half inch below the top limit so air inside like our reservoir. Each day i will shake it a bit just to move things inside.

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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Durelene
Let's see how strong Durelene PVC tubing is thumb.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene
The objective here is how they going to affect each other and how they to cloud if they cloud and what tubing is going to cloud first!?... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene + Mayhems Red Dye
Now this objective here I added the Mayhems Red Dye. How they going to affect each other and how they to cloud if they cloud and what tubing is going to cloud first!?... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene + Tygon R3603 Infected smile.gif
This one here will be very interesting. Cloud stuff? they can transfer the cloud film to another tubing? how they affect water? how the Durelene going to react with this infected tubing ? Is durelene going to get infected and cloud film like Tygon R3603? !!!???..... we will see. thumb.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Distilled Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene + Tygon R3603 Infected + Mayhems smile.gif
Mayhems added in here Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Tap Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene
Is tap water bad? how bad? how long it will last without problems? its is going to cloud? so many question we have and many question with no right answer !!!!.... below i just added the Mayhems Red Dye.
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Tap Water + Kill coil + Tygon R-3603 + Durelene + Tygon R3603 Infected + Mayhems smile.gif
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I need to get some more tubing so i can continue the testing i will try to put my hands on Primochill Tubing by next week and do the same tests. Primochill? or get another brand? because we all know all the Primochill batch are bad at least its looks bad now. all updates will be once week with pictures to see how it goes. I will need more input for you guys and help to find a solution for all of us. thanks for reading this and good lucky thumb.gif we all going to need.
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I think some likes red biggrin.gif

I just thought of something and I'm not sure if it would apply to the tubing you have in the test. But I remember reading once about how Primochill tubing has a layer on the inside of the tubing that is suppose to keep the plasticizer from coming through the tubing. Do you know if any of the tubing you are using is made the same way? If it was, it may pull it from the outside of the tubing before the inside of it.
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Just a thought, skyn3t, but I think flowing water is going to be a big factor. Nobody has reported plasticizer on the outside of the tubing yet, so contact with water has to be a key component. If the water is moving, you have much, much more contact over time than if it is stagnant.

I may be wrong, I may just be a ditz, but I think it's going to take much, much longer to see the results of those tests if the water is just sitting there.
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Just a thought, skyn3t, but I think flowing water is going to be a big factor. Nobody has reported plasticizer on the outside of the tubing yet, so contact with water has to be a key component. If the water is moving, you have much, much more contact over time than if it is stagnant.

I may be wrong, I may just be a ditz, but I think it's going to take much, much longer to see the results of those tests if the water is just sitting there.

I think this is because we all like to keep the water on the inside of our tubing. I've thought about the flow thing to, if this is more of a problem in low flow or high flow setups. I know I like to keep my systems quiet so I have low flow loops.
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I think some likes red biggrin.gif
I just thought of something and I'm not sure if it would apply to the tubing you have in the test. But I remember reading once about how Primochill tubing has a layer on the inside of the tubing that is suppose to keep the plasticizer from coming through the tubing. Do you know if any of the tubing you are using is made the same way? If it was, it may pull it from the outside of the tubing before the inside of it.

As far i had read all Tygon R3603 tubing spec's i could not find any specification about this special layer inside the tubing or even outside, it makes me thinking the Tygon - R3603 is made equal inside out.
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Just a thought, skyn3t, but I think flowing water is going to be a big factor. Nobody has reported plasticizer on the outside of the tubing yet, so contact with water has to be a key component. If the water is moving, you have much, much more contact over time than if it is stagnant.
I may be wrong, I may just be a ditz, but I think it's going to take much, much longer to see the results of those tests if the water is just sitting there.

You may be right i had the same thought over the sitting water instead a movement water.
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I think this is because we all like to keep the water on the inside of our tubing. I've thought about the flow thing to, if this is more of a problem in low flow or high flow setups. I know I like to keep my systems quiet so I have low flow loops.

I have some new parts sitting around here for about a month smile.gif for my new htpc project. I may be using it for testing whatcha you guys think? i just need to supply a 12v to pump and done i can build a loop with 2 different tubing Tygon-R3603 and Durelene just for testing. here is the part list that is sitting in my shelf, I may end up doing a small loop for this testing.

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I might be a guinea pig for another solution for the plasticizer problem besides the Duralene. Just got off the phone with someone and have put in an order for a brand new (literally, it's only been out for about a week or so) tubing from Tygon. It's a replacement for R1000 and it's called E1000. However, the kicker is that it's plasticizer free and he said that it's actually a bit clearer than the Duralene and is much lower durometer than the Tygon 2001 plasticizer-free tubing. In short, this could be the tubing of our dreams. I'll snap some pics of the tubing when it comes in.
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I might be a guinea pig for another solution for the plasticizer problem besides the Duralene. Just got off the phone with someone and have put in an order for a brand new (literally, it's only been out for about a week or so) tubing from Tygon. It's a replacement for R1000 and it's called E1000. However, the kicker is that it's plasticizer free and he said that it's actually a bit clearer than the Duralene and is much lower durometer than the Tygon 2001 plasticizer-free tubing. In short, this could be the tubing of our dreams. I'll snap some pics of the tubing when it comes in.

Good Call Warrior1986, in the mead time i will continue to work in my tubing testing and just to you guys know the Durelene still going good with Distilled + kill coil only tubing looks the same since day one. i will snap some pics later one.
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@skyn3t please send me a PM with you address and we will supply you with any products you need for your tests free ofc.

Weve run a few tests our selfs but just for our selfs and what you posted its very good. So if you need any thing we make inc biocide , kill coils, dyes, premix just let us know and we will help you in your testing.

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@skyn3t please send me a PM with you address and we will supply you with any products you need for your tests free ofc.
Weve run a few tests our selfs but just for our selfs and what you posted its very good. So if you need any thing we make inc biocide , kill coils, dyes, premix just let us know and we will help you in your testing.
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Hey Mick, thanks for stopping by in our thread smile.gif . I will be putting a new loop this weekend for testing purpose. I appreciate the help and
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