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We need to keep in focus the crappy support offered by Primochill in this whole affair. Although not the only company with issues, they were the very fastest off the mark trying to blame everything but their tubing, even when evidence was provided to show otherwise. False promises, little in the line of apologies or real explanations, they deserve only our contempt.
Use the power we all have. Do not buy their products. There are plenty of companies out there making what we need to water cool. We do not need another company that treats us with contempt and responds to us as if we are idiots.
Boycott PRIMOCHILL!

And posts like this is excactly why you have no idea what Companies are doing to solve the issue's. If you were part of the solution im sure they would gladly speak with you. Any of the companies working on the issue. This is how the companies make their money.You really think they are just sitting back doing nothing?
   
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And posts like this is excactly why you have no idea what Companies are doing to solve the issue's. If you were part of the solution im sure they would gladly speak with you. Any of the companies working on the issue. This is how the companies make their money.You really think they are just sitting back doing nothing?

The fact is, IT IS THE TUBING. All tubing that has plasticizer is going to leach, given time and temp. The amount of plasticizer in the tubing can vary from small percentage to very high. St-gobains which makes the tubing clearly stated in an email that all tubing that has plasticizer is going to cloud/leach in time. They suggested if you want clear tubing use plasticizer free tubing and use low water absorbent tubing, ie like tygon 2375. Only issue it is more expensive and doesnt come in different colors.

Fixing the problem is easy, if you know the owner have primochill offer plasticizer free tubing or inner bore plasticizer free tubing. If they are not doing one of those, then they are not going to solve the problem. At best they could lessen the plasticizer leach like it was 2 years ago, but at this point since people are going to be actively looking for it, even that may not be satisfactory. The first company to make plasticizer free tubing would quickly become the preferred tubing vendor.

It is true that plasticizer leach in primochill has gotten worse over past 2 years. My 2 year old tubing, and i am using copper sulfate btw, has only small amounts of plasticizer dusting, much less than newer batches in pics. But leach is going to occur in all tubing with plasticizer, have seen it in all over past 10 years, and it is certainly not a new problem. I have used over years almost every type of coolant, and just distilled, only thing that matters is plasticizer and specs of tubing and temps.
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Yeah no do the same thing with any other choice tubing its you will get the same results. I have tested Not in a beaker but in a Overclocked Bench running Prime at 65+c and the results were the same with any brand i tried. They all turned white. The ones that are showing the green stuff flush your rads and look what comes out . Green corrosion that's another issue. You can read through this thread and see every brand tubing has the issue. But the issue is clouded tubing with crystal clear water. For those that have stuff in your blocks thats something different all together. Copper sulphate will destroy tubing really fast at temps between 45 and 60 c really fast. So 1 Its not just Primochill and you guys really really think that all of a sudden every tubing in the world went bad at the same time a couple years ago? I barely read this thread anymore never mind hearing the results of me newest testing that has nothing to do with tubing. I have see multiple Posts in this thread that was user error that has nothing to even do with this whole issue at hand.
Hmm that green stuff in a few of the recent loops looks just like this dont it? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Know what that is? Its not from tubing its what comes out of a brand new rad if you flush it ! I see this build up in many of the loops shown .
Also the white stuff on the tubing wipes off by barely touching it . But i seen it posted it doesn't wipe off? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Are you running Dead Water Biocide. ? If so that's the end of your tubing . testing and said this months ago with many different brands. High temps would last 1 day.
Their is No good tubing in the world right now or there is another problem causing this,Seriously trash on Primochill go by your new great tubing and cry when you get the same results. I have already tested at minimum 300 feet of tubing and just got another 55 feet 2 days ago.
1- I am testing something completely different now and the problem is known and just waiting on the right fix for it.
believe it or Dont but either way thinking all tubing in the world went bad at the same time is just ridiculous . 2 - I love hearing Primochill tubing is the worse you can get a month more with this other brand. Lol well what does that say. Tubing is not the issue. Primochill is not the issue.Tygon is not the issue etc.
3 - This thread started out a really good thread but diffidently went way down hill and way off from the problem.
Take Care and only reason i cant stand reading tubing over and over again is because i think thats the #1 reason we still have this issue. 4 - Its time to start looking at other things besides the tubing . Also if going to bash a company Bash them all because 5 - i haven't found a tubing a couldn't turn white in under 5 days. Any one thinks they have the magic tubing send me a couple feet and i will test it. Also my test setup has a huge inline filter also to keep the testing fair for all brands.
I want to be able to run clear tubing also . Badly !
And as for Companies not doing anything about it is just crazy. 6 - I know Primochill's Owner and know what they are going through right now trying to solve this issue and of course you all see 7 - Mayhem working hard also to solve this. Although i don't agree with some of what he has said only because ive been through 8 - those tests 1,000 times already but and running in a real overclocked test System vs a jar. but either way it shows that's just 2 right their that are working very hard for us. And you guys must know that they read this thread?
Anyway take care guys not angry or anything just trying to keep things on track a bit so we can have a solution, You can try and tell me 1,000,000 times all the tubing in the world went bad .Lol but sorry not buying it.
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1 - I love to know what you are testing and how you are making your testing.

2 - It is the worse tubing in the market now this is for sure.

3 - Why its make you to say that? because now its spread more and more and attract more and member here with worse problem than when the thread started?

4 - other things like what? Nickel ? Plating? as far i know cooper is cooper and plating is plating. This formula wont change and never will.

5 - i did found one it may be not the answer but its still holding up so good. Bench Tubing test Distilled water + Kill Coil + Mayhems Red Dye and Main RiG Balck Hawk Down Distilled water + Kill Coil stil look the same since day 1 Tubing is Durelene Clear I almost forgot to tell what tubing are used for testing.almost 3 weeks and looks the same.

6 - It's good or its bad that you know the Primochill's Owner? why they never show up in this thread? I think i know the answer, I think they don't know how to handle this big mess that just show up in a TON here and by the way OCN has almost any type of Vendor REP why they never show up? dunno the answer too. badly.

7 - No.! you are wrong. Mayhem working hard to show and support all water cooler owners that hes product has nothing to do with cloud and white powdering inside the tubes and in the blocks like
Primochill's Dye Bomb's has affected thousands of WC owners around the globe. Crystallizing inside of anything you think of in the loop. Mayhems are the only Dye in market that has been supporting the community and proven for all of us how they products are the BEST.

8 - It is only you that have a real system here? you should think before you saying things. My rig won't count my bench test won't count? others Members RiG here won't count? what is count for a REAL overclocked test System? your RiG or a $5000 RiG with the best thing in the market? All the WC Blocks, Rad, RES and Pump are used in REAL overclocked test System and chear overclocked test System around the OCN and Globe.

I'm not angry I'm here just to help our community and just point some of your words mentioned above.
PS: i will have today more new pics of my result with Durelene withg Dye and Pure Distilled water.
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Yeah no do the same thing with any other choice tubing its you will get the same results. I have tested Not in a beaker but in a Overclocked Bench running Prime at 65+c and the results were the same with any brand i tried. They all turned white. The ones that are showing the green stuff flush your rads and look what comes out . Green corrosion that's another issue. You can read through this thread and see every brand tubing has the issue. But the issue is clouded tubing with crystal clear water. For those that have stuff in your blocks thats something different all together. Copper sulphate will destroy tubing really fast at temps between 45 and 60 c really fast. So 1 Its not just Primochill and you guys really really think that all of a sudden every tubing in the world went bad at the same time a couple years ago? I barely read this thread anymore never mind hearing the results of me newest testing that has nothing to do with tubing. I have see multiple Posts in this thread that was user error that has nothing to even do with this whole issue at hand.
Hmm that green stuff in a few of the recent loops looks just like this dont it?
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Know what that is? Its not from tubing its what comes out of a brand new rad if you flush it ! I see this build up in many of the loops shown .
Also the white stuff on the tubing wipes off by barely touching it . But i seen it posted it doesn't wipe off?
448
Are you running Dead Water Biocide. ? If so that's the end of your tubing . testing and said this months ago with many different brands. High temps would last 1 day.
Their is No good tubing in the world right now or there is another problem causing this,Seriously trash on Primochill go by your new great tubing and cry when you get the same results. I have already tested at minimum 300 feet of tubing and just got another 55 feet 2 days ago.
I am testing something completely different now and the problem is known and just waiting on the right fix for it.
believe it or Dont but either way thinking all tubing in the world went bad at the same time is just ridiculous . I love hearing Primochill tubing is the worse you can get a month more with this other brand. Lol well what does that say. Tubing is not the issue. Primochill is not the issue.Tygon is not the issue etc.
This thread started out a really good thread but diffidently went way down hill and way off from the problem.
Take Care and only reason i cant stand reading tubing over and over again is because i think thats the #1 reason we still have this issue. Its time to start looking at other things besides the tubing . Also if going to bash a company Bash them all because i haven't found a tubing a couldn't turn white in under 5 days. Any one thinks they have the magic tubing send me a couple feet and i will test it. Also my test setup has a huge inline filter also to keep the testing fair for all brands.
I want to be able to run clear tubing also . Badly !
And as for Companies not doing anything about it is just crazy. I know Primochill's Owner and know what they are going through right now trying to solve this issue and of course you all see Mayhem working hard also to solve this. Although i don't agree with some of what he has said only because ive been through those tests 1,000 times already but and running in a real overclocked test System vs a jar. but either way it shows that's just 2 right their that are working very hard for us. And you guys must know that they read this thread?
Anyway take care guys not angry or anything just trying to keep things on track a bit so we can have a solution, You can try and tell me 1,000,000 times all the tubing in the world went bad .Lol but sorry not buying it.
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http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/tyano1id3odi.html
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both tubing is ugle as hell frown.gif. but you do have a option sleeve them all smile.gif than you will good to go.
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Haven't been on this thread since January, can anyone tell me what the "go-to" brand for tubing is now?

Just looking for white in particular. Is primochill still good?

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Haven't been on this thread since January, can anyone tell me what the "go-to" brand for tubing is now?
Just looking for white in particular. Is primochill still good?

There is no "go-to" brand for tubing right now. That's the whole point of this thread. And AFAIK, Primochill is tied with R3603 as being the worst tubing around.

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Primochill white, 5 months. Just took it apart today.

20120628_001.jpg

If you go back to the first page you can see that my previous 6 month old black primochill only exhibited a little bit of this powdered plasticizer stuff...now the white tubing is just CAKED in. Oddly enough it is only on my fittings, my cpu/gpu blocks are perfect aside from a little oxidation.

Still waiting for a census on a good brand so I can replace everything redface.gif

Well I was gonna speak up about your wanting White when I saw this. Have you tried the Feser brand? Not sure how well it holds up against kinks but it's gotta be better than this. 5 months? That green tint in your fittings looks like the green tint inside my tubing from the Copper EK block. but that's a lot of build up of Plasticizer. What additives are you running if any? mellowsmiley.gif

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If your going to blame tubing as you say all tubing in the world suddenly is no longer good. Why blame 1 company when its been shown in this thread alone tons of companies clouding? and you ask what kind of testing have i been doing???? Have you read this thread because its all posted here in it. Ok today im going to say Mastekleer is a bad company and terrible because there tubing clouds. Oh wait Tygon clouds also so maybe we will say Tygon is a terrible company because there tubing either clouds or turns yellow.. Seriously something is causing this . Tubing in the Past did not do this! I have ran Tap water in old loops years ago and the only thing that ever happened was algae grew but NO clouding. This is not the tubing again i say it. And there is no good tubing . There is tubing that can prevent clouding for a longer period of time but there is still no fix to the whole problem. I like Tygon Tubing I Like Masterkleer tubing i like Tygon tubing but every one of them shows clouding . I just dont get why you guys pick one company and slam them when i know for a fact they are working hard to please you guys. I have seen white tubing but i never seen any kind of stuff clogging anything. Thats something totally different .

I think aiming people to different brand tubing's is just giving them false hope because the fact is all tubing clouds right now. Some longer then others.

But honestly this is basically page 1 of this thread. It never goes anywhere just loops in circles. Lol.
   
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Again this is not a new problem or confined to Primochill tubing, no one is claiming it is. 10 years ago up until 5 years ago, plasticizer leach was in all builds, look at mine from 2007, first pic, tygon 3603, the king of plasticizer leach, my loop after just 3 months. The fluid looks cloudy, but it was not, it is just white precipitate lining the tubing, this is with distilled water, pt nuke, 10% clear antifreeze. The plasticizer wipes right off, some just cleaned it off with gun bore cleaners, then often it would stay clear after that.

Second pic is my rebuild 2007-2008 after ~ 6 months with tygon 43x beverage tubing which is supposedly coated with something that slows plasticizer leach, exact same coolant (10% AF/pt nuke), except added blue die G11. This loop stayed crystal clear, also did not gunk up my blocks.

People are angry at primochill because the last few years it was the only colored tubing that had minimal plasticizer leach, so it was THE recommended tubing by most. Now it looks same as all the others. And that is a manufacturing issue, not something can be solved on our end.

But yes, all colored tubing now sucks the same, primochill is now no better or worse than others. And there maybe some slight variability batch to batch or between brands, but now they all have same problem.

It amazes me that no company has introduced a plasticizer free colored tubing. Tygon silver is inner bore plasticizer free, so maintains good flexibility that watercoolers want + no plasticizer leach through inner bore. Maybe make some UV colored tubing with inner bore free?

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I'm sticking with color tube. I don't want to spend more time on crappy clear tube. Besides, i have a helix res so I'm no longer needing dyes for my res (let alone clear tube).
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I'm sticking with color tube. I don't want to spend more time on crappy clear tube. Besides, i have a helix res so I'm no longer needing dyes for my res (let alone clear tube).

Many will stick with colored tubing including myself for now, I still have 2 yr old primochill uv blue in mine, and only has feint dusting of plasticizer leach, which i could clean at this point and probably wouldnt come back.

Which is why any company that sells colored tubing with plasticizer free inner bore would get most peoples business.
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