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Incorrect.
Steam started out as a delivery system for Valve's patches, modifications and updates to it's games as a way to streamline the process of essentially being sure your game was staying up-to-date. That is what Steam was originally.
How many times can you re-install your games on Steam, except for perhaps a few mishaps over the years (which were quickly fixed)?
How many years can games remain in your library untouched?
How long will the content be available for download?
DRM isn't just how the game is authenticated. Prime example in the spotlight - Ubisoft and hardware changes reducing your license to three different hardware setups and then you have to contact for more.
So, I really feel for you if you believe that Steam and Origin are identical, similar services, exactly the same DRM and so forth. Because it's simply not true. wink.gif

Hmm Origin delivers patches, I only have bf3 on origin but bf3 doesn't have mod support so I dont know about that.

So far I have reinstalled bf3 twice but it has only been a a few months since the game came out.

As for these other things origin has not removed anyone's games or stuff like that, I suspect these are just copy pasted RULA from EA download store. When it happens then complain.

Origin is also adding more games to their roster some which are not EA games such as Batman AC and have expressed their intent of having a large library. Did steam launch with a huge library? no it didn't. Did steam have all these features when it launched? no it didn't. These things take time.

Also the people with the complaints always have the same argument " X game forces me to use origin" while steam does the same thing. I can think of a bunch of people who want nothing to do with steam but are forced to put up with it, I can think of people who stopped PC gaming because of steam. Now who do we blame, the company that sees the success of those who pioneered this crap or the people who pioneered it?
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Also what people tend to forget, Steam besides being a content delivery platform and game manager is also a framework (Steamworks) in itself, developers can use this framework in their games (like all Valve game do, but there are 3rd party games too).
Origin, well, nothing of sorts. It's just made for annoyance.

This would be a very nice addition for Origin, if it ever gets out of "beta."
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DRM implies Digital Rights Management.

It's not DRA - Digital Rights Authentication.

There is a reason for that! Just because a game requires Steam or Origin does not mean they aren't using other authentication servers to validate the keycode/installation (Ubisoft, as another example - with AC on Steam - you still have to authenticate via Ubisoft, not just Valve). You realize that DRM isn't just how the game is authenticated but the policies associated with the content regardless of the developer or distribution.

If a song is copywritten, the DRM for that song (based on however/whomever releases the song) is in the form of a copyright protection as a guard against fraudulent copying, along with usage limitation and a handful of other restrictions (owning it personally but playing it in a commercial environment is against the law without written consent/paying royalties).

So when you look at the rights associated between each service, DRM is most definitely not exactly the same between the two, regardless of whether Origin or Steam is a required executable to launch the game.

How is that not obvious?
    
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In case anyone is interested in the ME3 & Kingdoms of Amalur cross promotion the KoA demo is now on Origin under free games in the store.
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DRM implies Digital Rights Management.
It's not DRA - Digital Rights Authentication.
There is a reason for that! Just because a game requires Steam or Origin does not mean they aren't using other authentication servers to validate the keycode/installation (Ubisoft, as another example - with AC on Steam - you still have to authenticate via Ubisoft, not just Valve). You realize that DRM isn't just how the game is authenticated but the policies associated with the content regardless of the developer or distribution.
If a song is copywritten, the DRM for that song (based on however/whomever releases the song) is in the form of a copyright protection as a guard against fraudulent copying, along with usage limitation and a handful of other restrictions (owning it personally but playing it in a commercial environment is against the law without written consent/paying royalties).
So when you look at the rights associated between each service, DRM is most definitely not exactly the same between the two, regardless of whether Origin or Steam is a required executable to launch the game.
How is that not obvious?

You're splitting hairs. It's a form of DRM. And they are the same.
Edited by SectorNine50 - 1/17/12 at 12:57pm
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DRM implies Digital Rights Management.
It's not DRA - Digital Rights Authentication.
There is a reason for that! Just because a game requires Steam or Origin does not mean they aren't using other authentication servers to validate the keycode/installation (Ubisoft, as another example - with AC on Steam - you still have to authenticate via Ubisoft, not just Valve). You realize that DRM isn't just how the game is authenticated but the policies associated with the content regardless of the developer or distribution.
If a song is copywritten, the DRM for that song (based on however/whomever releases the song) is in the form of a copyright protection as a guard against fraudulent copying, along with usage limitation and a handful of other restrictions (owning it personally but playing it in a commercial environment is against the law without written consent/paying royalties).
So when you look at the rights associated between each service, DRM is most definitely not exactly the same between the two, regardless of whether Origin or Steam is a required executable to launch the game.
How is that not obvious?

Having a copyright does not automatically provide you with "digital rights management", copyright protection is the legal way you enforce your digital rights.
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When people don't agree, people don't agree. But at least view it from my perspective.

I don't agree that I'm splitting hairs but I do see your perspective, as it is a simplistic view of each particular program. thumb.gif
    
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When people don't agree, people don't agree. But at least view it from my perspective.
I don't agree that I'm splitting hairs but I do see your perspective, as it is a simplistic view of each particular program. thumb.gif

Quite frankly, thats all that matters. Your view may be technically correct, but in this context it is irrelevant. The substantive differences you have highlighted don't matter to 99.9% of people. Perhaps those who are interested in coding and creating services like Origin or Steam would find it interesting, in the end it doesn't matter to most of us.
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When people don't agree, people don't agree. But at least view it from my perspective.
I don't agree that I'm splitting hairs but I do see your perspective, as it is a simplistic view of each particular program. thumb.gif

You haven't stated your perspective on how they practice their DRM. You rattled on about how the program's TOS are different, then decided to give a lesson on what DRM is and how it's used.
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Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management 
Digital rights management (DRM) is a class of access control technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders and individuals with the intent to limit the use of digital content and devices after sale. DRM is any technology that inhibits uses of digital content that are not desired or intended by the content provider.

The games that rely on those programs will not run without those programs running. Those programs need to be logged in to work, so that they can verify that you actually own the title.

It is Digital Rights Management, it is managing the rights of the digital content creators, in this case a video game and it's developers, in order to combat piracy.

It's really simple. That's why I have a "simplistic view."
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Simplistic view, yes. smile.gif
    
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