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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

Well, I can't comment on the G400v2 as I don't own it yet, but I can tell you that the Deathadder 3G is perfect for me in all the requirements you had
  • no acceleration whatsoever
  • no jitter
  • great tracking
  • no prediction/angle snapping
  • great responsiveness
  • great sensor placement (centre)
  • long lasting build
  • high perfect control speed
  • high malfunction speed
  • low lift off distance
Many people seem to have problems with the build quality, but my DA is lasting me for 3 years now. I recently bought the Abyssus to try out the new G3.5 sensor, and it performs equally good, at least on 125 Hz and 1800 DPI. I noticed some (very little) jitter at 1000 Hz. But I played a few rounds with it and couldn't tell a difference between the 500 Hz I used on my DA and the 125 Hz on the Abyssus, tracking and precision was as flawless as always, no prediction, no accel even at highest speeds (I play with 60cm/360°), even the higher lift off on the Abyssus didn't bother me at all.
But anyway, it seems you made your choice and I guess the G400v2 is a great mouse. I need to get a hold of one of those, the prediction was always turning me away from the mx518 before.

No, I havent made my choice just yet. I mean, yes, G400v2 is #1 on my shortlist, but if a mouse is released in the near future, with better shape, and (why not) better sensor, I will throw away the G400v2 right away. Thats why Im taking it slowly without hurrying. Still no decision has been made.



and this thread is not even for me.. its for all of us players. Its a discussion thread, with all different opinions allowed.
post #122 of 212
For CS1.6 prediction can actully helps in some cases, even in a lot actully - it just helps you keep the crosshair in the head-level and as you know CS1.6 is slow game (actully very slow when you compare it with games like quake, hl and css which tbh are very diffrents games imo but still for the comperision) so it makes things alittle bit easier.

For CS1.6 I always liked a mouse with Lowest LoD as possible that have good quality of tracking too and fine shape and good weight.
Simply on the table, mouse for 1.6 need to have a good combo of very comfortable shape, medium to high force switchs, low LoD and a good quality sensor in it (sensor that have good quality of tracking and good "thershold" for tracking your smallest amount of movements) thats why I belive that alot of 1.6 players love the IME3.0/1.1A or the EC1/2.

About the kinzu - I guess is just a combo of lack of carelss and perfect fit for the specific player who uses it (f0rest, Edward etc), low LoD.

Xai - perfect mouse but sensor, low LoD.

etc....
Edited by avinin1 - 2/16/12 at 10:01am
post #123 of 212
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

I could explain dynamics of different hardware setups, but you would have to look at things from a different perspective and understand that compromises would have to be made favoring one atribute over another.
Lift off distance vs max speed vs cursor quality can be described as a double edged sword. I don't think optical mice will ever reach that level of perfection. Laser? With time.

You make things so complicated, when in fact they are so simple. A mouse is a tool that translates the motion of your hand, therefore it should have 1:1 tracking. Of course you can adjust to acceleration, prediction whatever, but in real life you don't have acceleration between your brain and your hand. Imagine your hand moving more/less than the brain actually "commands" it to. Imagine what that will do to a tennis player. Acceleration is supposed to be a choice (like EPP or the software acceleration in Xai) not a function built in to the sensor.
Optical sensors already reached that level of perfection imo (Deathadder 3G, G400 v2, Zowie EC). If you're talking about perfect control over 3 m/s, who needs that? Sure laser sensors seem like they are capable, but until they do they are no match for an optical. As a personal opinion, the last "decent" laser sensor was the Avago 6010.
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About the kinzu - I guess is just a combo of lack of carelss and perfect fit for the specific player who uses it (f0rest, Edward etc), low LoD.
Xai - perfect mouse but sensor, low LoD.
etc....
Exactly my point, except i wouldn't say lack of careless as much as the acceleration doesn't bother them (high sens etc).
post #124 of 212
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

You make things so complicated, when in fact they are so simple. A mouse is a tool that translates the motion of your hand, therefore it should have 1:1 tracking. Of course you can adjust to acceleration, prediction whatever, but in real life you don't have acceleration between your brain and your hand. Imagine your hand moving more/less than the brain actually "commands" it to. Imagine what that will do to a tennis player. Acceleration is supposed to be a choice (like EPP or the software acceleration in Xai) not a function built in to the sensor.
Optical sensors already reached that level of perfection imo (Deathadder 3G, G400 v2, Zowie EC). If you're talking about perfect control over 3 m/s, who needs that? Sure laser sensors seem like they are capable, but until they do they are no match for an optical. As a personal opinion, the last "decent" laser sensor was the Avago 6010.

How is the perfect control/malfunction speed on these three mice? And is DA3G better than 3.5G?
post #125 of 212
What resolution are you playing on? What CPI value do you plan to game with?
post #126 of 212
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What resolution are you playing on? What CPI value do you plan to game with?

What Im planning to play with is irrelevant to this question. Asking in general how are perfect control/malfunction speed on these three smile.gif
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What Im planning to play with is irrelevant to this question. Asking in general how are perfect control/malfunction speed on these three smile.gif

Actually it's completely relevant to the subject matter. If you don't want to learn or understand what I'm getting at, its fine.
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Actually it's completely relevant to the subject matter. If you don't want to learn or understand what I'm getting at, its fine.

How is relevant? Im just asking.. ? okay, for the record im using 400DPI + 800x600.
post #129 of 212
Why does the resolution matter if you don't know the screen size?
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post #130 of 212
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How is relevant? Im just asking.. ? okay, for the record im using 400DPI + 800x600.

It's relevant because optical sensors track worse at higher dpi compared to low dpi steps. After 1000+ dpi they tend to jitter and have a smaller perfect control speed. Laser sensors handle higher DPI steps better, that's what Skylit is trying to say. Furthermore some mice (because of various reasons, firmware etc) have a higher tracking speed at 400 than at 800 DPI (or viceversa). DA 3G for example works best at 1800 DPI. Anyway you can't find the 3G version anymore, but the 3.5G's 400 DPI step is perfect. All 3 mice have a very good perfect control speed @400-500 DPI. However the Deathadder has a higher LOD (~ 5 mm) and the Zowie EC has medium prediction/angle snapping. I can't find any flaws in the Logitech G400 v2 (and i'm trying very hard biggrin.gif), so if you're ok with the shape i guess you can say it's the best there is.
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