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Because it's not better than the 8150, which i have, and which by all accounts has a much brighter future than an I5, whose lifespan can be measured in months. Current I5 mobos will be obsolete before the year is out.
Do you cherry pick for a living? I addressed everything you just said in the same post you quoted.
Let me make this clear, since everyone seems to have problems understanding it: I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. CROSSFIRE. OR. SLI. SCENARIOS. THEY ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE MAJORITY OF PC USERS!
I don't know a single person with either an SLI or Crossfire setup. I just called a friend of mine who works at a local IT firm, and he says he knows 1 (one) person who has a crossfire setup.
In gpu bound scenarios, which are what most people are dealing with, an 8150 is as good as anything else, give or take a few fps here or there. That is all that matters to your average gamer, and that is the only point I have been trying to get through to you people.
I'm not going to keep reiterating the same points forever just so you people can completely ignore them and then get on my case about a point I'm not actually trying to make.
I'm sure there are a lot of really smart people around these forums, but apparently not many of them like to read.

For the majority of users 2500K is far better than BD. Can you prove otherwise?

Also, current LGA 1155 motherboards are compatible with the upcoming Ivy Bridge.

Per core performance is far more important than weak IPC+higher core count.
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post #52 of 123
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We're talking about gaming, not heavily multi-threaded apps nor synthetically heavily threaded benchs. AvP is a good example and the BD performs the same as the i7 980x; it is clear that it is a GPU-bottleneck since increasing GPU clocks increased FPS.

.......... You just refuse to be wrong even in the face of PROOF? Yes raising the clock speeds to match the BD would no doubt as you say MATCH the BD, and how is it a GPU bottlekneck when performance clearly goes up across all boards as the GPU/CPU Clocked are raised? That being said in Reality of it all the BD NEEDS that Extra MHZ to really shine, but you haven't done any research on BD architecture, so you wouldn't realize that about it's CPU And the way it works would you? But Real life calls, you stay on the single-minded bandwagon and you LMK when you can open up to optimism , I bid you ado, it's late and i have work in the AM,....... Till then
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.......... You just refuse to be wrong even in the face of PROOF? Yes raising the clock speeds to match the BD would no doubt as you say MATCH the BD, and how is it a GPU bottlekneck when performance clearly goes up across all boards as the GPU/CPU Clocked are raised? That being said in Reality of it all the BD NEEDS that Extra MHZ to really shine, but you haven't done any research on BD architecture, so you wouldn't realize that about it's CPU And the way it works would you? But Real life calls, you stay on the single-minded bandwagon and you LMK when you can open up to optimism , I bid you ado, it's late and i have work in the AM,....... Till then

Proof? I guess every mainstream hardware review sites are wrong then. If you really believe BD is better than SB, I have nothing to say about it. It is your opinion.
 
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post #54 of 123
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Because it's not better than the 8150, which i have, and which by all accounts has a much brighter future than an I5, whose lifespan can be measured in months. Current I5 mobos will be obsolete before the year is out.

AMD just came out with the 7970, it's nearly as good as the 6990 (and that's a double GPU card), and the next GPU generations will only be even better. How do you think BD will do with these more powerful GPU setup as tech advances? It will fall behind, the i5 2500k won't as soon That's the difference.

As graphic cards become more powerful, the weakness of BD in gaming will become more apparent. By another year and with a new GPU generation, BD will be easily bottlenecked by single high-end GPU setups.
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For the majority of users 2500K is far better than BD. Can you prove otherwise?
Also, current LGA 1155 motherboards are compatible with the upcoming Ivy Bridge.
Per core performance is more far more important than weak IPC+higher core count.

I already have proved otherwise - note the link I posted earlier. Please read the entire review, not just the one page, then get back to me.
Do I really need to explain the thing about how most users only have a single gpu setup again?
That's great that LGA 1155 mobos will be forward compatible. Do you really think the old z68s will still get good support when the Z77,Z75,H77 chipsets are released, or will the manufacturers let them die like they have in every other Intel cycle? Especially since they won't have USB 3.0 or PCI Express 3.0, and the new ones will?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4830/intels-ivy-bridge-architecture-exposed
The LGA 1155s will work, but they will be instantly obsolete.
Again, and for the last time, I'm not arguing that BD is superior across the board, or even at all, merely that for the uses that your average pc gamer will put it to, it is comparable to an I7. And if you can accept my definition of the average gamer - which I believe is accurate - then I'm simply telling the truth.
Edited by justthefactsmam - 1/15/12 at 12:27am
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Originally Posted by born2bwild View Post

As graphic cards become more powerful, the weakness of BD in gaming will become more apparent. By another year and with a new GPU generation, BD will be easily bottlenecked by single high-end GPU setups.

Prove that or you're just tapping on plastic.

In fact, according to pretty much everything I've read on the subject, the exact opposite is the case. BD will actually handle future applications better than it handles current ones, as multi-threading becomes increasingly common in programming. Every single review, even Anands, had to admit that the 8150 handled really heavily multi-threaded applications very well.
Edited by justthefactsmam - 1/15/12 at 12:25am
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Prove that or you're just tapping on plastic.
In fact, according to pretty much everything I've read on the subject, the exact opposite is the case. BD will actually handle future applications better than it handles current ones, as multi-threading becomes increasingly common in programming. Every single review, even Anands, had to admit that the 8150 handled really heavily multi-threaded applications very well.

There is also cases where Bulldozer is faster in singlethreaded

1 Core can do 2 128bit SSE and 2 128bit AVX(1 256bit XOP and or 1 256bit AVX)

Sandy Bridge can only do 1 128bit SSE or 1 128bit or 256bit AVX per core

But a lot of people ignore that there is 4 pipes

210

In this image any pipe that says
FPFMA = a Floating Point Pipe which does Fused Multiply Add ops
FPMMA = a Integer pipe which does Fused Multiply Add ops
FPMAL = a Integer pipe which does Multiply Accumulate ops

FPMMA can either be 128bit or 256bit(I heard rumors that this actually spreads across into pipe 1 if the SIMD requires 256bit)
FPMAL can be separate 128bit or a fused 256bit

^because of this video/audio transcoding and video game rendering is faster on Bulldozer than on Sandy Bridge

Floating Point performance is a big no no for transcoding and video game frame rendering(Integer ops are faster than Floating Point ops that is the main reason)
Edited by Seronx - 1/15/12 at 4:00am
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WTH is it with this site???? The OP asked about waiting for the new AMD product or current BD, nothing was asked about Intel but the Intel trolls and AMD haters club show up once again and crash the thread arguing the same crap that they have argued before. This, by far, is the worst forum I have EVER seen. Two thumbs down. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gifthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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WTH is it with this site???? The OP asked about waiting for the new AMD product or current BD, nothing was asked about Intel but the Intel trolls and AMD haters club show up once again and crash the thread arguing the same crap that they have argued before. This, by far, is the worst forum I have EVER seen. Two thumbs down. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gifthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

I did recommend waiting for B3

And by far this forum is the worst....you have a 60% Intel Fanboy population with a 10% AMD Fanboy populations with a 30% Independent population
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(Green is the average, but you notice the min fps is pretty much the same across all AMD CPUs(the min fps is do to non-optimized GPU drivers))

Bulldozer is an upgrade 90% of the time

The FX-4100 is between the Phenom II X4 and i5 2500K
The FX-6100 is between the Phenom II X6 and i7 3930K(with HT disabled)
The FX-8150 is between the Phenom II X8 and E5 2687W(with HT disabled)

Game FPS is pretty much the same across FX 4 core to FX 8 core if it isn't multithreaded
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WTH is it with this site???? The OP asked about waiting for the new AMD product or current BD, nothing was asked about Intel but the Intel trolls and AMD haters club show up once again and crash the thread arguing the same crap that they have argued before. This, by far, is the worst forum I have EVER seen. Two thumbs down. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gifthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

The original poster did mention intel and the possibility of switching,so i think thats why there are intel pushers in the thread?
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I have a 955BE oc to 4.0ghz wondering if I should switch over to Bulldozer or wait for the next round of releases, not a huge fan of intel but if they have the latest willing to switch.
    
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