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Originally Posted by NrGx
I wasn't being fanboyist dragosump, I'm just saying, that there was no reason to pull a big publicity stunt to try and get the publica attention and to prove that they are better than intel. For me, that sound desparate. They should put thier heads into making a better chip. Thats what intel did when they were getting whooped by the athlons. Then the conroe benchmarks came out and BAM!. AMD was lost, confused and (lets be honest) screwed for the next two years.
...but if you really believe that, then you should cut AMD some slack. I mean, Intel was utterly left in the dust for 5 years, right? AMD will probably catch up long before such a time frame passes.
     
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post #22 of 42
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...but if you really believe that, then you should cut AMD some slack. I mean, Intel was utterly left in the dust for 5 years, right? AMD will probably catch up long before such a time frame passes.

hey, I want AMD to succeed in gaining more share, I think the AMD deal with Dell is a great idea......there's nothing better than some healthy competition, and as long as Intel is feeling the heat, they will continue to pump out awesome CPUs at good prices.

The trouble with your statement is that Intel had a buffer zone, a savings account if you will, to dip into in those lean times....plus, they weren't that lean....as they were being left in the dust on the ethusiast side for those years, they were not feeling much pain in the server and business lines.......and that line is much more important than the small home user and enthusiast lines.

As far as I know, AMD does not have that buffer zone, no huge savings account, no room to suck and struggle through. Although, the aquisition of ATI will help diversify their sales and gain some revenue, they are going to have to wow us, and soon.....because all the talk about how much better their quad core is will not help them in any way if it only exsists on paper, while the "slower" Intel quad core is in computers turning cycles........
post #23 of 42
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Originally Posted by Thumper
hey, I want AMD to succeed in gaining more share, I think the AMD deal with Dell is a great idea......there's nothing better than some healthy competition, and as long as Intel is feeling the heat, they will continue to pump out awesome CPUs at good prices.
Indeed, I totally agree with you! I purchased entirely AMD when they were at the front of processor ability. Sadly that was then, and this is now. I await new forefronts and they continue to release paper stating their unreleased processor's abilities.

I have just ordered three Conroe's for our household. Only one AMD box remains and it will be eliminated via attrition.

Sad days ahead for AMD unless they begin a creative cycle that is at the moment non-existent. At the moment to use gambling idiom AMD is "Long on the Sayings, and Short on the Doings".

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Indeed, I totally agree with you! I purchased entirely AMD when they were at the front of processor ability. Sadly that was then, and this is now. I await new forefronts and they continue to release paper stating their unreleased processor's abilities.

I have just ordered three Conroe's for our household. Only one AMD box remains and it will be eliminated via attrition.

Sad days ahead for AMD unless they begin a creative cycle that is at the moment non-existent. At the moment to use gambling idiom AMD is "Long on the Sayings, and Short on the Doings".

R
They've just said future plans, in the next 4 years, AMD will also release 2 entirely new architectures, K8L and K10.

From the beginning AMD has been saying Q4 06 for 65nm, to my knowledge, they have time, and to add to that, they have till the end of Q4.
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They've just said future plans, in the next 4 years, AMD will also release 2 entirely new architectures, K8L and K10.
K8L in the next 4 years? K10 in the next 4 years? K8L an "Entirely New Architecture? I have looked at the schematics and it is far from an "Entirely New Architecture". Revamped? Yes. Entirely New? No.

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From the beginning AMD has been saying Q4 06 for 65nm, to my knowledge, they have time, and to add to that, they have till the end of Q4.
This is not true. It was Q2, then Q3 and now Q4. As well, you just said that one of their plans is K8L in the next 4 years along with K10. Then you said in the next 3 months. Which one is it?

Do you mean K10 in the next 4 years and K8L in the next 3 months? Intel will have released how many new processors by then?

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This is not about K8L. It is about K8L in quad core. Where is K8L? Still not released? When AMD is losing a battle for processor ability they need to do something to seem as though they are accomplishing new avenues.

Intel will release 2 entirely new architectures in the next four years. K8L is still not released. We are now coming to the end of September. Three months left for this vaunted 65nm release. AMD has been announcing this release far too long. It has become much ado about nothing.

AMD is beginning to bore me with their inability to respond realistically to Intel. If they are beginning to bore me, then I think that many others are already bored. All I see is K8 on the 90nm process and even more so, I see the past K8 being cache castrated.

Fanboyism is created when one supports a losing side and supports said side unrealistically. AMD is of course their own fanboy, and since it is their own company, it is totally understandable, but for an overclocker it is a bit "weak" to follow that which is by the wayside. Hopefully AMD actually responds with more than words and paper issues of possible releases.

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There is nothing wrong with supporting a company that was giving us (the enthusiast) attention that Intel wouldn't. Count me as a Fanboy if you like.
    
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There is nothing wrong with supporting a company that was giving us (the enthusiast) attention that Intel wouldn't.
Fanboyism is supporting unrealistically. Giving out false information or leaving out true information in order to support a losing side. Note that I said supports it unrealistically. This means that the supporter is not looking at comparing objectively. They give false information. They blindly refuse to look at both sides fairly since their objective is to support that which is not otherwise technologically and comparitively supportable.

Note your term "Was" Snerp. That says it all. That was then, this is now.

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Fanboyism is supporting unrealistically. Giving out false information or leaving out true information in order to support a losing side. Note that I said supports it unrealistically. This means that the supporter is not looking at comparing objectively. They give false information. They blindly refuse to look at both sides fairly since their objective is to support that which is not otherwise technologically and comparitively supportable.

Note your term "Was" Snerp. That says it all. That was then, this is now.

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I find the "flip flopper" to be far more annoying then the fanboy. Right now the conroe bandwagon has a lot of people on it, but I won't be. I have disliked Intel for various reasons over the years and AMD's 4 solid years of domination was good to many of us.

Product loyalty isn't the bad thing you are making it out to be. I'm waiting for K8L. Is that unrealistic support? No. Why? because my current rig runs everything I throw at it. Waiting for a company that I feel understands the enthusiast and will deliver a quality product isn't that big of a deal. It seems "fanboy" has become the new "noob"
    
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post #29 of 42
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Product loyalty isn't the bad thing you are making it out to be. I'm waiting for K8L. Is that unrealistic support? No. Why? because my current rig runs everything I throw at it. Waiting for a company that I feel understands the enthusiast and will deliver a quality product isn't that big of a deal. It seems "fanboy" has become the new "noob"
I disagree with your view of fanboyism Snerp. Product loyalty is not a bad thing and is not part of fanboyism. As long as one recognises and gives information out that is realistic and true, then whoever they actually support has no degree of fanboyism in my view.

I fully support your right to support AMD even when AMD is losing in the technological wars right now. It's a dynamic thing and I expect AMD to be in the forefront once again and support from those such as you who stand by them in tough times is necessary and valued otherwise there would be a monopoly and Conroe would be much more expensive than it is.

I do not have product loyalty. Which ever company gives me the best for the least is the company I support. Either way, we are neither fanboys.

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512 L2 on each core plus a 2 meg shared L3 Cache!!!

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