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Unless you make a living or have a serious hobby of rendering, I would still recommend the i5-2500k. If you are a serious gamer, spend the money saved on a better GPU, should be able to fit a 6970 or a GTX 570 into a $1k budget.
Also, any reason for getting a 128GB SSD? just grab a 64GB one, it is plenty. Good job picking the M4 though thumb.gif
Gkill sniper is like $3 cheaper if that matters tongue.gif
Lastly, grab a P67 board, save yourself some money, with a SSD as your boot drive and a PCIe GPU, you do not need a Z68 board. The ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 is a great board.

Actually, the z68 boards are comparatively priced in relation to the P67. Also, you get access to Sandy Bridge-e (I think).
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I know you are trying to help Ironman but....

Still get a Z68. It is about the same price as P67 but higher resale value (maybe $10 less).

64 is too small nowadays for a boot drive for the most used programs. 128 is the sweet spot. Also M4 drives are having a problem right now (5200Hour bug) fix is in progress.

Keep the 2600K for rendering or visual work. It helps quite a bit.
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Actually, the z68 boards are comparatively priced in relation to the P67. Also, you get access to Sandy Bridge-e (I think).
If this is the case, then it would be a great idea to get a Z68 board, but this is the first time I heard this.
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I know you are trying to help Ironman but....
Still get a Z68. It is about the same price as P67 but higher resale value (maybe $10 less).
64 is too small nowadays for a boot drive for the most used programs. 128 is the sweet spot. Also M4 drives are having a problem right now (5200Hour bug) fix is in progress.
Keep the 2600K for rendering or visual work. It helps quite a bit.

Asrock Extreme4 Gen3 boards are ~$35 USD different. Both boards have the same offerings, but one is P67 and one is Z68. Only example that I knew had the same bells and whistles and had a P67 and Z68 version.

64GB is plenty for a boot drive, you only need your OS and some frequently used programs. Games, pictures and videos shouldn't be saved on an SSD, it only helps with loading screens (with online games you will be held back by your internet connection) and will not have any impact on gameplay.

I think the M4 bug is related to the most recent firmware as well correct? I could be wrong, it was just an assumption. He more than likely would have to update his firmware himself anyway.
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Actually, the z68 boards are comparatively priced in relation to the P67. Also, you get access to Sandy Bridge-e (I think).

That was a stupid statement. I should have did my homework before I posted that. Both chipsets gain access to Sandy Bridge-e

But, there is something to be said for z68 boards. They really aren't more exspensive, and you can buy an SSD for the board... blah blah I think I have said all that before. The thing is, it is an extra feature that can increase your performance quite a bit from generic without buying a large SSD. An SSD will indeed be faster than either other option, however, they still are expensive, small, and load times really won't be that bad to begin with. I got me a 1 tb hdd, 7200 rpm, 32 mb cache, and I am always the first loaded in LoL. My load time in Skyrim isn't too bad either, just about 4 or 5 seconds.

But, if a couple seconds is that important, go for it. gl;hf
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but i have no need for a 1tb hd i just need about 100-130 for my main applications, i store my other stuff on an external
so i need the SSD for: Skyrim LoL SWTOR and some SC2 along with my photoshop/Maya and as far as the video rendering goes, is fraps included in that? i would love to get high quality videos without getting a huge drop in performance while recording
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but i have no need for a 1tb hd i just need about 100-130 for my main applications, i store my other stuff on an external
so i need the SSD for: Skyrim LoL SWTOR and some SC2 along with my photoshop/Maya and as far as the video rendering goes, is fraps included in that? i would love to get high quality videos without getting a huge drop in performance while recording

FYI putting LoL and SWTOR on your SSD is useless. Online games are fine on HDDs. Skyrim and SC2 will see some benefit but it will hardly be noticeable,

Photo and video editing programs on the other had will be great on your SSD, especially since it takes so long to launch the application. Gimp and Photoshop are wonderful on an SSD.

As for Fraps, I am not sure as I do not use screen capturing software. But you should not plan on doing an enormous amount of writes to your ssd, it lowers the lifespan of the drive. I mean enormous. Things with daily or even weekly updates should not be on there tongue.gif
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i was more wondering about the CPU/GPU there, which matters more, because i would generally be writing this onto my external as fraps videos can fill up a 100g hard drive after 1 day of shooting pretty easily...
IE: does it matter more to have a strong processor to render the video, or a strong graphics card to handle the graphics more smoothly? or a combination?
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i was more wondering about the CPU/GPU there, which matters more, because i would generally be writing this onto my external as fraps videos can fill up a 100g hard drive after 1 day of shooting pretty easily...
IE: does it matter more to have a strong processor to render the video, or a strong graphics card to handle the graphics more smoothly? or a combination?

For Rendering, CPU.

Graphics only for gaming, or software programs that support the GPU, which is rare.
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A faster hard drive will also help with recording from say Fraps.
    
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i was more wondering about the CPU/GPU there, which matters more, because i would generally be writing this onto my external as fraps videos can fill up a 100g hard drive after 1 day of shooting pretty easily...
IE: does it matter more to have a strong processor to render the video, or a strong graphics card to handle the graphics more smoothly? or a combination?

I have 3 quotes for you here, one of which applies. All are from MaximumPC. These quotes are what I live by.

1. "The time to upgrade your computer is when it is no longer fast enough to do what you want."
2. "A good Word processing computer can't necessarily play games well. However a gaming computer can sure can process the hell out of some word."
3. "A SSD is a big upgrade. However, it should be the last big upgrade you get."

If you get a SSD, you will notice the load times are faster. You will definitely notice it is faster. However, the improvement in load time is very small overall when compared to some other upgrades.

Not to knock a SSD, but a good HDD will load pretty good too. My HDD (not a really fast one, but better than average) loads Skyrim in like 4 or 5 seconds on larger areas. In world of Tanks, I am always there when it still says "waiting for players to connect". iTunes loads in 3 seconds, with a music library of 18 GB.

You say you don't want the space, but an external HD will be a lot slower than an internal one. An internal will spin faster, runs on Sata which is much better than USB, has a better random access time, and in general, will perform much faster. If you put any games on the external, all that speed you gained from the SSD will be lost on the load times of things from your external.

This is my last post on the subject, btw. I feel I have bothered you enough.
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