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i think the defenders of this machine are missing the point entirely. It isn't just that it is overpriced - it's overpriced for a system none of us would ever build because it is too weak to be a worthwhile gaming machine. People are going to buy this under the premise they are getting a legit system that performs well and they are going to be disappointed. Even the fully upgraded 12/1300 dollar version is woefully underwhelming and not good "bang for the buck" - people would be better off saving a bit more and buying a real prebuilt gaming rig with a graphics card that isn't obsolete.
post #482 of 593
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i think the defenders of this machine are missing the point entirely. It isn't just that it is overpriced - it's overpriced for a system none of us would ever build because it is too weak to be a worthwhile gaming machine. People are going to buy this under the premise they are getting a legit system that performs well and they are going to be disappointed. Even the fully upgraded 12/1300 dollar version is woefully underwhelming and not good "bang for the buck" - people would be better off saving a bit more and buying a real prebuilt gaming rig with a graphics card that isn't obsolete.

Actually, compared to market competition in it's category it's the cheapest/highest performance by far.

I love that you all so willingly knock and rip apart the specs of a machine when it performs best in category AND is the cheapest.

Riddle me that, batman.
post #483 of 593
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"The system has a 240-watt power supply, upgradeable to 330 watts. Monitors are extra" ... oh god what kind of cheap PSU is inside? why only 240????!! rolleyes.gif .. no thanks I rather build it myself!

You know, there are good PSUs at that wattage made for the form factor we see here. The hardware used doesn't consume a lot of power, so why put a larger PSU in there? Makes no sense and I'm not sure why people are so enamored with buying huge wattage PSUs when their system doesn't need them.
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i think the defenders of this machine are missing the point entirely. It isn't just that it is overpriced - it's overpriced for a system none of us would ever build because it is too weak to be a worthwhile gaming machine. People are going to buy this under the premise they are getting a legit system that performs well and they are going to be disappointed. Even the fully upgraded 12/1300 dollar version is woefully underwhelming and not good "bang for the buck" - people would be better off saving a bit more and buying a real prebuilt gaming rig with a graphics card that isn't obsolete.

Do people spend a couple hundred on a camera then complain when they can't match the photos they find in SI and National Geographic? The vast majority are actually happy with what they have, otherwise everyone would be carrying around DSLRs, for example.

This system will perform fine at lower resolutions and medium/high settings. Believe it or not, you don't have to max the graphics to have a good time.
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post #484 of 593
i've had mine for a few days now and i have been really impressed with what this little machine can do. no, it doesn't max out bf3 at 60+ fps, but it does pretty good with no aa/af/hbao and medium/high detail settings (even in 64-player maps) at 1080p. batman: ac is very enjoyable at 1080p with the eye candy turned down/off. for the most part, you can still leave the detail settings at relatively high levels with the aa/af/hbao off. pretty much all newer games play fine at 1080p (between 40 and 60fps). is this an enthusiast pc? heck no. but it will make for an incredible lan and/or college pc. another great selling point is that you CAN upgrade all the components in this pc as long as you keep the power consumption down.

i read a review last night that some guy tested his x51 with a gigabyte factory overclocked gtx 560 ti (roughly a 170w tdp card) and it worked flawlessly (he had the 330 watt power brick). the performance increase was rather large too. now, i am certain the last thing someone wants to do right after they buy a new pc is have to upgrade it. but, since amd's new cards are out, and kepler is soon to arrive, a 560 ti could be had on the cheap pretty soon, if not right now (used). also, you could sell the existing gt 545 or gtx 555 to help off-set the cost. one of those would make a decent htpc card or extra physx card for someone.

i am currently in the process of integrating an amd 7950 into the one i have currently to see what kind of performance i can get out of this machine. i have sized it up and it will be snug, but should fit. also, the power consumption is so low that i should be able to run the 7950 at 1000mhz with no problems. i'll make sure to post back when i get the card and set it up. and ps, i didn't buy the 7950 just for this machine. i bought it for my main rig and am going to try it out in the x51.

also, i have been able to overclock the factory gtx 555 up to 900mhz core on stock voltage so far. there isn't any way to adjust voltage since msi ab doesn't support this gpu and it is a custom driver.
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This system will perform fine at lower resolutions and medium/high settings. Believe it or not, you don't have to max the graphics to have a good time.
this hits the nail right on the head. even though my x51 doesn't max bf3 out, i still have a great time playing it.
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This system will perform fine at lower resolutions and medium/high settings. Believe it or not, you don't have to max the graphics to have a good time.

And you don't need to spend $700 either to have a good time.rolleyes.gif
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This system will perform fine at lower resolutions and medium/high settings. Believe it or not, you don't have to max the graphics to have a good time.
And you don't need to spend $700 either to have a good time.rolleyes.gif

You're paying for form factor and brand name here. So of course it'll cost more. rolleyes.gif
     
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i think the defenders of this machine are missing the point entirely. It isn't just that it is overpriced - it's overpriced for a system none of us would ever build because it is too weak to be a worthwhile gaming machine. People are going to buy this under the premise they are getting a legit system that performs well and they are going to be disappointed. Even the fully upgraded 12/1300 dollar version is woefully underwhelming and not good "bang for the buck" - people would be better off saving a bit more and buying a real prebuilt gaming rig with a graphics card that isn't obsolete.

Saying that users who want a prebuilt should just save up more is such backwards logic. Users that want a more powerful system will save up more. Those who don't, won't. Some people just want to play games, and they don't mind if they're not playing on the highest settings with 60+ FPS. Tens of millions of people play consoles that are ancient by current PC standards, and they still have a great time doing it. People such as this most certainly exist, the only question is whether a good number of them actually want to get into PC gaming and would be willing to pay $700 for an entry level machine.

I seriously doubt anyone is going to think this thing's a monster that's going to be able to play games on the highest settings with great frame rate. It is the cheapest thing Alienware has ever released afaik. Even non-tech savvy people know that when you buy the cheapest model, you're probably not getting top of the line performance.
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"The system has a 240-watt power supply, upgradeable to 330 watts. Monitors are extra" ... oh god what kind of cheap PSU is inside? why only 240????!! rolleyes.gif .. no thanks I rather build it myself!

Likely because that's how much power this thing requires.
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http://www.dell.com/au/p/alienware-x51/pd#secondaryContent look at this and argue that it is in anyway good for the price
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http://www.dell.com/au/p/alienware-x51/pd#secondaryContent look at this and argue that it is in anyway good for the price

I... don't see your point. Yeah, the specs aren't amazing. It's not something I would buy, or even perhaps recommend, but it's the best you can get at the price. Find me a better pre-built and I'll say that this isn't a good deal.

Gas should be a dollar at most. But I don't know how to make my own gasoline. I see $2.50 at a gas station (I wish) and I say, "Hey, that's a good deal!" Meanwhile, Big Oil is laughing at me. Sure, it's not ideal, but it's the best I can get without doing my own drilling and distilling.
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