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i didnt read a single argument that changed my mind either way. It is overpriced and underpowered for what it is being marketed as. The only people who will buy it and be satisfied are people who don't know any better. Dell is attempting to exploit that demographic, and they should feel ashamed. I mean the bottom line is, out of 100 educated people who know about hardware and gaming (us...), how many would recommend this system to their brother or sister? I wouldn't.
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http://www.dell.com/au/p/alienware-x51/pd#secondaryContent look at this and argue that it is in anyway good for the price

How about this: http://www.dell.com/au/p/alienware-x51/fs
The biggest joke IMO is their top-of-the-line model. For $1,699 you get an i7-2600, GTX 555, and BD-ROM. I have no problem with their low-end model so much as the priorities on the high-end for a "gaming" PC. Why i7 and BD-ROM? I get it, they needed to upgrade something while sticking to the small form factor so GPU just wasn't an option. I always felt the biggest problem with pre-built was not how much they charge but how they balance.
     
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i read a review last night that some guy tested his x51 with a gigabyte factory overclocked gtx 560 ti (roughly a 170w tdp card) and it worked flawlessly (he had the 330 watt power brick). the performance increase was rather large too. now, i am certain the last thing someone wants to do right after they buy a new pc is have to upgrade it. but, since amd's new cards are out, and kepler is soon to arrive, a 560 ti could be had on the cheap pretty soon, if not right now (used). also, you could sell the existing gt 545 or gtx 555 to help off-set the cost. one of those would make a decent htpc card or extra physx card for someone.
You can provide the link I can read their reviews.. biggrin.gif

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post #494 of 593
Every time I walk into some where that has an alien ware I just laugh. and walk out.

people who are serious about buying gaming pc's should research and USE THE INTERNET.

kids theses days have the best tool in the world. the internet. use it for everything while you can!

/weird rant.
post #495 of 593
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i didnt read a single argument that changed my mind either way. It is overpriced and underpowered for what it is being marketed as. The only people who will buy it and be satisfied are people who don't know any better. Dell is attempting to exploit that demographic, and they should feel ashamed. I mean the bottom line is, out of 100 educated people who know about hardware and gaming (us...), how many would recommend this system to their brother or sister? I wouldn't.

I'm just curious, but if your brother or sister was the type of person who wanted to buy a computer with an itx case size, could play games, regardless of whether they could play them at the highest settings, and wanted something cheap, what would you recommend?

I'm not doubting that there's a better deal out there using these requirements, but if there is, I doubt it would be so much cheaper that it'd blow the pants off this thing.
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I... don't see your point. Yeah, the specs aren't amazing. It's not something I would buy, or even perhaps recommend, but it's the best you can get at the price. Find me a better pre-built and I'll say that this isn't a good deal.
Gas should be a dollar at most. But I don't know how to make my own gasoline. I see $2.50 at a gas station (I wish) and I say, "Hey, that's a good deal!" Meanwhile, Big Oil is laughing at me. Sure, it's not ideal, but it's the best I can get without doing my own drilling and distilling.

http://www.dell.com/au/p/alienware-x51/fs rolleyes.gif sorry wrong page this is the right one
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You can provide the link I can read their reviews.. biggrin.gif
Thanks..
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/3/2768359/alienware-x51-review
post #498 of 593
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I'm just curious, but if your brother or sister was the type of person who wanted to buy a computer with an itx case size, could play games, regardless of whether they could play them at the highest settings, and wanted something cheap, what would you recommend?
I'm not doubting that there's a better deal out there using these requirements, but if there is, I doubt it would be so much cheaper that it'd blow the pants off this thing.

i would definitely not recommend this machine. I would ask why they insisted on a smaller size (i highly doubt the target audience knows ATX vs ITX) and then would probably tell them they could buy any quad core mini tower at best buy and throw in a $200 gfx card and have a considerably better machine than this piece of junk... for much less. Its not just about playing games at the highest settings, its about handling games in the future. The 699 version of this machine would run modern games like BF3 VERY POORLY, even on low and it certainly will not be viable even a couple of years from now. "Cheap" this machine is not. the fully upgraded version in 1700 bucks and has a GTX 555 in it... TERRIBLE DEAL. At every price point, there's considerably better bang for your buck options.

How many people really come up to you and say "i want a computer that can kind of play modern games with the graphics turned way down and i want to spend close to 1000 on it, oh and the case has to look EFFIN' sweet to trick people into thinking the hardware inside is decent!"
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i would definitely not recommend this machine. I would ask why they insisted on a smaller size (i highly doubt the target audience knows ATX vs ITX) and then would probably tell them they could buy any quad core mini tower at best buy and throw in a $200 gfx card and have a considerably better machine than this piece of junk... for much less. Its not just about playing games at the highest settings, its about handling games in the future. The 699 version of this machine would run modern games like BF3 VERY POORLY, even on low and it certainly will not be viable even a couple of years from now. "Cheap" this machine is not. the fully upgraded version in 1700 bucks and has a GTX 555 in it... TERRIBLE DEAL. At every price point, there's considerably better bang for your buck options.
How many people really come up to you and say "i want a computer that can kind of play modern games with the graphics turned way down and i want to spend close to 1000 on it, oh and the case has to look EFFIN' sweet to trick people into thinking the hardware inside is decent!"

Nobody has ever said that to me. But I could imagine there are people who wouldn't mind putting this thing in their living room, bed room or home theater set up who might otherwise rather not if it were a full size computer case. The general public doesn't have to know the difference between ATX and ITX, you can tell just by looking at them. Btw, BF3 looks playable on a 545 in this guy's video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35FkMBTT_Xk

I get why most here wouldn't buy this thing. I probably wouldn't either, but that's because I'm not part of the market this thing is targeting (neither are most here). A gaming PC with a small form factor that's appealing for use anywhere in the house isn't exactly common, honestly I don't know of anything that really markets itself like this and if the best competition you can come up with is some regular old best buy PC with a GPU upgrade, I get the feeling it might not be just me. Whether there's a market big enough for this type of thing to be successful, I have no idea, but if there really is an audience big enough to make it successful, it'll probably sell pretty well considering the alternatives people bring up here tend to be quite a bit different, at times aimed at different markets altogether.
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i didn't say it was the best competition i could come up with, I said that buying a computer at bestbuy and putting your own graphics card in (or hell, hiring Geek Squad to do it) will give you a much better computer for a lot less money than this thing will cost - in other words, you could find a better deal just about anywhere. Basically, if you buy this you're paying a grip of cash to have a superficially pretty computer that will be obsolete in a year. I can think of 1000 better uses for 700-1500 dollars.
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