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Was looking at this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812161006&Tpk=Velocity%20Solo

Not sure if its a good fit for my OCZ Agility 3.

What would OCN recommend?
    
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You'd be better off saving your money for a motherboard upgrade that has a native Sata 6gb/s connection.

Your 4k speeds on the Intel 3gb/s ports will be the same or better.

You're basically buying a card to look better in benchmarks which doesn't always translate to real world improvement.
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You'd be better off saving your money for a motherboard upgrade that has a native Sata 6gb/s connection.
Your 4k speeds on the Intel 3gb/s ports will be the same or better.
You're basically buying a card to look better in benchmarks which doesn't always translate to real world improvement.

Agree with this.

The only place you'll notice a difference vs. SATAII interface is benchmarks.
    
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You'd be better off saving your money for a motherboard upgrade that has a native Sata 6gb/s connection.
Your 4k speeds on the Intel 3gb/s ports will be the same or better.
You're basically buying a card to look better in benchmarks which doesn't always translate to real world improvement.

But wouldn't faster read and write speeds mean a quicker boot time? Saving up for another board with Sata 6gbps could take me awhile. I would just like to unlock the full potential of my ssd without having to upgrade my board.

Currently as benchmarks go. I ran AS SSD and this is the outcome.

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You'd be better off saving your money for a motherboard upgrade that has a native Sata 6gb/s connection.
Your 4k speeds on the Intel 3gb/s ports will be the same or better.
You're basically buying a card to look better in benchmarks which doesn't always translate to real world improvement.

But wouldn't faster read and write speeds mean a quicker boot time? Saving up for another board with Sata 6gbps could take me awhile. I would just like to unlock the full potential of my ssd without having to upgrade my board.

Currently as benchmarks go. I ran AS SSD and this is the outcome.

Nope it will not make boot any faster, actually it may make it slower overall. Why? You need the RAID manager to load after the BIOS loads then Windows will start to boot. It take a little longer for the RAID array to initialize.

And as far as speeds are concerned, you will not see faster speeds with AS SSD. Your drive is just slow with compressed data in general.

if you wanted a PCIe card then you need at least a X4 one and not a x1, the x1 are limited in bandwidth.
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Nope it will not make boot any faster, actually it may make it slower overall. Why? You need the RAID manager to load after the BIOS loads then Windows will start to boot. It take a little longer for the RAID array to initialize.
And as far as speeds are concerned, you will not see faster speeds with AS SSD. Your drive is just slow with compressed data in general.
if you wanted a PCIe card then you need at least a X4 one and not a x1, the x1 are limited in bandwidth.

I have an extra x8 slot that I'm not using. I don't understand. Why will I not see faster speeds if I get a sata 6gbps card? and how can I clean out or manage the compressed data.
    
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Nope it will not make boot any faster, actually it may make it slower overall. Why? You need the RAID manager to load after the BIOS loads then Windows will start to boot. It take a little longer for the RAID array to initialize.
And as far as speeds are concerned, you will not see faster speeds with AS SSD. Your drive is just slow with compressed data in general.
if you wanted a PCIe card then you need at least a X4 one and not a x1, the x1 are limited in bandwidth.

I have an extra x8 slot that I'm not using. I don't understand. Why will I not see faster speeds if I get a sata 6gbps card? and how can I clean out or manage the compressed data.

Ok this is from my buyers guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread

I have more info to add on what each tyoe of data is exactly, but just so you get the picture here:


Now for the whole SandForce business...

First off, SandForce = POS imo. I will not be recommending any of them, however I will help you understand which are better than the others.

Compressible vs Incompressible data:
Compressible - Fine for SandForce SSDs, any SandForce drive can do well with compressible data and reach it's rated speeds. That is why benchmarks like ATTO should be used to test their reads and writes.

Incompressible - Harder for SandForce SSDs. AS SSD shows their weakness quite well.

Low end:
Anything with Asynchronous NAND is slow with incompressible data, but fast with compressible data. These are the low end SandForce SSDs.

If you benchmark the SSD with AS SSD bechmark you will see low speeds, but if you use ATTO disk benchmark you will see high speeds. For example, the OCZ Solid 3, OCZ Agility 3, Corsair Force Series 3, Mushkin Chronos, Patriot Pyro, ADATA S510, etc. will all have low speeds in AS SSD of about 200MB/s reads and about 100MB/s writes. But in ATTO if you are on the same SATA 3 port, then you will see 500MB/s+ reads and near 500MB/s+ writes.

High end:
Anything with Synchronous or Toggle mode NAND is faster with both incompressible data and compressible data. These are the higher end end SandForce SSDs.

They handle compressed data a lot better than the lower end SandForce SSDs, but still not as good as the Marvell controlled SSDs. They include, but are not limited to the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Patriot Wildfire, ADATA S511, Corsair Force Series GT, Kingston HyperX, OCZ Vertex 3, Patriot Pyro SE, etc.
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Ok this is from my buyers guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread
I have more info to add on what each tyoe of data is exactly, but just so you get the picture here:
Now for the whole SandForce business...
First off, SandForce = POS imo. I will not be recommending any of them, however I will help you understand which are better than the others.
Compressible vs Incompressible data:
Compressible - Fine for SandForce SSDs, any SandForce drive can do well with compressible data and reach it's rated speeds. That is why benchmarks like ATTO should be used to test their reads and writes.
Incompressible - Harder for SandForce SSDs. AS SSD shows their weakness quite well.
Low end:
Anything with Asynchronous NAND is slow with incompressible data, but fast with compressible data. These are the low end SandForce SSDs.
If you benchmark the SSD with AS SSD bechmark you will see low speeds, but if you use ATTO disk benchmark you will see high speeds. For example, the OCZ Solid 3, OCZ Agility 3, Corsair Force Series 3, Mushkin Chronos, Patriot Pyro, ADATA S510, etc. will all have low speeds in AS SSD of about 200MB/s reads and about 100MB/s writes. But in ATTO if you are on the same SATA 3 port, then you will see 500MB/s+ reads and near 500MB/s+ writes.
High end:
Anything with Synchronous or Toggle mode NAND is faster with both incompressible data and compressible data. These are the higher end end SandForce SSDs.
They handle compressed data a lot better than the lower end SandForce SSDs, but still not as good as the Marvell controlled SSDs. They include, but are not limited to the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe, OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Patriot Wildfire, ADATA S511, Corsair Force Series GT, Kingston HyperX, OCZ Vertex 3, Patriot Pyro SE, etc.

I'm currently using the default ahci driver. Would installing intel rapidstorage ahci driver make a difference? and did I make a mistake in choosing my ssd? shouldn't i have chosen the vertex 3?
    
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I'm currently using the default ahci driver. Would installing intel rapidstorage ahci driver make a difference? and did I make a mistake in choosing my ssd? shouldn't i have chosen the vertex 3?

The Vertex 3 would have been the better choice overall, yes. But the Agility 3 is still many times faster than a hdd.
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But wouldn't faster read and write speeds mean a quicker boot time? Saving up for another board with Sata 6gbps could take me awhile. I would just like to unlock the full potential of my ssd without having to upgrade my board.
Currently as benchmarks go. I ran AS SSD and this is the outcome.

Take a look at the OCZ Agility 3 info page.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/manuals/OCZ_Agility3_Product_sheet.pdf

Your numbers for as-ssd are right on the money for what they advertise. Getting a faster connection for the drive will not speed things up very much if at all.
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I'm currently using the default ahci driver. Would installing intel rapidstorage ahci driver make a difference? and did I make a mistake in choosing my ssd? shouldn't i have chosen the vertex 3?

Should have gotten M4 or Samsung 830 in my opinion, but if you don't get issues don't sweat it, the difference in real world is most likely insignificant.

And yes use the intel driver. Did you see my install guide? In there on post 3 in the download section.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-guide-optimization-for-ssds-hdds
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