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I don't understand the argument that tablets and mobile computing will take over consoles. Yes mobile computing is getting more powerful but they won't take the place of a console as the console will have a much larger form factor allowing it to house more powerful hardware. Yes I can see a scenario here an advanced tablet-like device being on par with a console at the absolute end of it's life cycle but then the consoles will refresh and mobile computer will have a lot of catching up to do. I guess we will just have to wait and see how long it takes tablets and phones to catch up to the next generation of consoles.
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The crazy thing is that most people don't realize that their PC can be there all-in-one media system.

Exactly. As it stands now, my girlfriend and I don't pay for cable or phone. I don't even have a cell phone.
We watch TV via Hulu, Netflix, XfinityTV. I make all calls and texts with GVoice. Gaming, no problem?
Why have more when less just works?

Because one has to realize the limitations of the all-in-one machinee.I wouldn't want a tiny ass screen to play any of my games on(assuming you are talking about an all-in-one on the go device and that we do not have holographic projections available yet) and certainly not at the kind of graphic fidelity that current mobile GPUs (Tegra 3 onwards) can handle.On the flip side , i wouldn't want to stick my face on a huge ass screen when im in a call with someone or send a text where i have to make an effort to hold it without letting it slip off.

There will be a place for dedicated devices in the market so long as they are competitively priced and software does not advance to become uni-compatible. (ala none of that will happen in the first paragraph)
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Yep. It's not about consoles dying, it's about the console model as we know it going away.
PC gaming will be the way of the future and it will be transparent to the every day Joe who just plays games. All he's going to know is that the box that he has hooked up to his TV plays games as seamlessly as his old 360 did.
I don't think the 'console' ideal will be going away, but I do believe that consoles will receive some legs and no longer be held down by proprietarism.

I don't think most of OCN understands the concepts behind why consoles are so popular with both developers and consumers. Fixed hardware, and simple to use, plain and simple. PCs will never replace consoles, PCs will never have fixed hardware. Both PCs and Consoles have their place. Console game sales break their own records year after year, yet people keep saying they're going away.

Proof please.

While sales may prove otherwise , i still think that they are conceptually flawed.There is no place in the technological world where hardware is REALLY fixed ; this is what consumers really want , against all logic , that a lump sum(exc. repairs and such) would satisfy ALL their needs , FOREVER.Don't believe me? Go to ANY gaming forum that discusses about next gen that has a console fanbase and you'll frequently see something like "Oh man , its only been like 8 years , i don't want to fork out another $600-700 for new hardware" "i really hope they don't come out fast because i just bought my PS3!" "Maybe the programmers(big FU to this guy because programmers are not magicians) have not yet found way to fully utilize console hardware.Anyway i don't really want it." "Im fine with this generation of graphics , why would i pay $700 for new graphics?" "backwards compatibility or bust"[Im paraphrasing or summing up posts from The Escapist btw]

Ofcourse , some of them are due to their own incompetence of not realizing that every gen brings in SO MUCH MORE than just graphic fidelity but you get my point.The consumer market is getting increasingly agitated by new hardware because they want something that ISN'T there.Eventually the market will become so segregated in consoles that in the long run , will not be profitable anymore because of impossible backwards compatibility(for obvious reasons).The PCs will oust consoles out of the gaming seat simply by playing the waiting game with emulation and backwards compatibility.

Edit: i'd like to think that this is why Onlive is getting an increasingly bigger consumer interest but i really have no evidence(that i can find) to back this up.redface.gif I guess this is also why they wanted to move back to dumb terminals , being inconsequential human beings asking for the impossible.
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Maybe it'll be the last generation of consoles themselves, but I believe in the future, like around 2020~, the hardware would be implemented into the TV's and one would have to install the software into the TV and download whatever games they want to play, ultimately bringing Steam to the TV.

I think we're heading this way...


This will be the direction consoles as well as the personal PC take within the next 10-20 years.
The TV (or maybe some sort of screen) will take care of television, web, gaming as well as home office. Every thing you needed before in a home PC and gaming console will become cloud based. You won't store much, if any, info locally, and you won't really need any powerful hardware as it will all be cloud based.
Sony and Xbox will supply game sales and storage and you will play games off of their servers. Home office work will be done on Microsoft Office servers and saved and backed up there. You may rent server time/space or more personal storage space for other tasks from Amazon's server farm or maybe from your local cable/isp company.

Tablets will become more predominant and in the near future (10-15 more years) will be cheap and pleniful. You may be able to go to the store and pick up a 6 pack of tablets.
Everything is going to be interconnected via the internet, and I don't really see us using a PC like the ones we are sitting in front of right now.

I really hope it doesn't go full circle going back to dumb terminals.The whole point of the move towards home computing 40 years go was the complete lack of interdependency towards a central server and that hardware had came down in size and price that it was commercially viable to bring it to the average or more well off household. A move back to terminals would also(regrettably ) destroy the hardware market in a lose-lose situation towards the consumers and manufacturers.The consumer is bypassed in this model where Company A makes a dealing with Company B directly without consulting anyone (i guess you are screwed if they decide to increase the price of their service ; not everyone prefers better performance relative to price , hence the PC solution).It would also mean that the manufacturers would be in a "go big or go bust" situation because the amount of "consumers" has dramatically decreased to a point where signing a contract(this is the part i really fear for because legally binding documents always inhibit free market trade) with those service providers will guarantee a very long monopoly for said manufacturer.

In the end , nobody will benefit from this.
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Multi-function entertainment devices will be the future.
One device that is:
- a media center
- gaming machine
- audio/video receiver
- media server all in one.

There's just too many variables, Not including quality. There are literally millions of products that are available in these brackets that make thousands of companies / manufacturers millions of pounds. To provide an all in one solution would see many of them wiped out.

If i buy an audio machine i spend thousands on the best hifi seperates because i like many others prefer to make a choice based on quality and features and you cant make an all in one solution for everybody's tastes.
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There's just too many variables, Not including quality. There are literally millions of products that are available in these brackets that make thousands of companies / manufacturers millions of pounds. To provide an all in one solution would see many of them wiped out.

If you went ahead and did what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8 for Tablets, set a minimum set of hardware specs. As long as all the All-in-one Media Centers meet this, we are golden. All games, applications that are created and geared towards these all-in-ones will be able to run on any all-in-one in much the same way that games do on consoles.


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If i buy an audio machine i spend thousands on the best hifi seperates because i like many others prefer to make a choice based on quality and features and you cant make an all in one solution for everybody's tastes.

Anyone buying these all-in-ones are people looking for simple solutions. Since these wil all be PC's, you can essentially run the all-in-one geared software and games on any PC that meets the minimum specs. And I'm sure anyone with hi-fi systems will not be settling for these simple all-in-one boxes.

And some manufacturer's will come out with various levels of all-in-ones with added features.

- 3D Blu-ray
- 7.1 output
- TV Tuner
- LCD display on front (the 2 line ones that show what is currently playing)
- Built in AVR functions
- etc.

This is all just opinions though of course tongue.gif
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It's already 2012 anyways guys, I mean let's not get our hopes up. Just another 11 months to go here...
    
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Multi-function entertainment devices will be the future.
One device that is:
- a media center
- gaming machine
- audio/video receiver
- media server all in one.


I have one of those now.. and have for quite some time.


Its called a computer.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if this generation will be the last. Many people who buy consoles don't want to keep buying something that will be out of date in a few years. They never keep backwards compatibility and that angers many people too.

Playstation: released in December 1994 by March 2005 had sold 102.49 million units.

Playstation 2: released in March 2000 by November 2005 had sold 100 million units. (fastest to reach this mark - backwards compatible)

Playstation 3: released in November 2006 by September 2011 had sold 55 million units. (half as many as the PS 2 in the same time - not backwards compatible)

PSP: released in March 2005 by September 2011 had sold 71.4 million units.

Consoles peaked with the PS 2 era but now the hand held device (PSP) is outselling the console. I am sure this trend will continue as more people seem to like to game on smaller hand held devices like phones. I would bet it is far cheaper for Sony to make a PSP type of device than a console and thus, profit margins may be higher.

So you see, my friends, when they say it is computer gaming that is dying... they really haven't done the research. It is console gaming that is dying.
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The world is ending too tout, don't forget! Long live handheld gaming devices as the pinnacle of our achievements! Yay! tongue.gif
    
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lol, um yeah, probably not gonna happen.
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You see part of it, but are missing more.
Look at anything apple is doing. They are going to be doing Xbox 360 level graphics soon. Way better in the next few years. The hardware falls somewhere between a console and a PC, where its a moving, but steady target.
Android already can use a game controller.... ipad and android can already be hooked to larger displays.
the future is crazy.

You're comparing a 1 year old $500 dollar tablet to a now 7 year old $250 console. When the next-gen consoles come out I fully expect:
  • 4 cores (8 threads), must faster than the previous consoles' CPUs in terms of instructions per second, possibly a wider bus.
  • At least 6GB of RAM, possibly even 8GB, much higher transfer rates.
  • GPUs that are magnitudes faster. Rather than a GPU with 256-512MB of RAM, and a GPU running at 500Mhz you'll see something like a custom AMD 6970 with 2GB of RAM in the consoles.

I would expect a mandatory 60fps 1080p minimum for all next-gen Xbox and Playstation games, and possibly even 1080p 3D with 60fps per eye. It may sound crazy for a 6970, but you have to consider that the GPUs are customized for the consoles to do certain things much faster than the equivalent PC hardware. That's what you get when you have GPUs made for a single hardware spec, and you don't need drivers whatsoever.

I'm also tired of people comparing iPad and mobile games to consoles. Sorry, but I won't be sitting down anytime soon to play Skyrim on my iPad, I'll be at a computer or 55" HDTV on a console relaxing with a dual analog controller. And even if you have your iPad running a game and hooked up to your HDTV, it's not a breeze to just connect a controller to it, and you won't get anywhere near the image quality as a brand new console would get you, because if you could consoles would be much smaller.
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2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
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750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
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256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
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i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
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3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
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256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
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